2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
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Definitely put me down for a Cook bust. I think his running will be terrible, and if he does stay fantasy-relevant, it will be due to his catches/rec yards inflating his fantasy numbers.
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Stud: D'Onta Foreman (Miller is going down early), Aaron Jones, Godwin, Jammes Conner, Kizer, McNichols
Dud: Perine (yeah I know- Just a feeling), Kupp, Njoku. Bold prediction dud: Corey Davis.
Dud: Perine (yeah I know- Just a feeling), Kupp, Njoku. Bold prediction dud: Corey Davis.
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RB: Joe Mixon | Dalvin Cook | Nick Chubb -Mark Ingram | Royce Freeman | Justice Hill | Matt Breida | Bernard | Jonathan Williams
WR: Davante Adams | Mike Evans | Julio Jones -Sammy Watkins | John Brown | DeVante Parker | Deebo Samuel | Nelson Agholor | Terry McLaurin
TE: Evan Engram -Hunter Henry | Ian Thomas | Jacob Hollister
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RB: Saquon Barkley | David Johnson -Breida | Duke | Armstead | D. Harris | J. Samuels
WR: DeAndre Hopkins | Keenan Allen | Stefon Diggs -Christian Kirk | JJAW | James Washington | Hurd
TE: Hunter Henry -Austin Hooper | Irv Smith Jr.
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Est. 2017 | 2018 League Champion | 2019 Runner up
QB: Russell Wilson | Baker Mayfield -Carson Wentz
RB: Joe Mixon | Dalvin Cook | Nick Chubb -Mark Ingram | Royce Freeman | Justice Hill | Matt Breida | Bernard | Jonathan Williams
WR: Davante Adams | Mike Evans | Julio Jones -Sammy Watkins | John Brown | DeVante Parker | Deebo Samuel | Nelson Agholor | Terry McLaurin
TE: Evan Engram -Hunter Henry | Ian Thomas | Jacob Hollister
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Stud : Shaheen, Watson and De'Angelo Henderson
Dud: OJ Howard, Kareem Hunt and Zay Jones
Dud: OJ Howard, Kareem Hunt and Zay Jones
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Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
Quite a few CMC busts. Do we really think he's that bad? Quite a few Mixon busts as well. I think CMC will have a decent year, but I'm not sure it will quite equate to stud status.
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Super surprise stud: gonna go Gallman. Totally written off, would be ultimate shocker but I like him
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Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
Surprise studs: Conner Kupp, Joe Williams, Josh Reynolds
Surprise Busts: Dede Westbrook, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara
Surprise Busts: Dede Westbrook, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara
Team 1: 10 TEAM PPR. 0.2 PPC 2QB 3RB 4WR 1TE 1FLEX 2IDP 1 D/ST 1K
QBs - Bridgewater, Cousins, Darnold, Rudolph
RBs - Miles Sanders, Ronald Jones, Mixon, Fournette, Mike Davis, Gio Bernard, T. Coleman, Damien Williams, Love
WRs - DHop, Chris Godwin, DK Metcalf, DJ Chark, Beckham Jr, DJ Moore, Sutton, Kirk, Edelman, Tre'Quan Smith, Anthony Miller, Van Jefferson, Jalen Guyton, Peoples-Jones, Marcus Johnson
TEs- Kittle, Hockenson, Tonyan, Njoku, Trautman
IDP: Lavonte David, Roquan Smith
K: Greg Zuerlein
Team 2: 12 Team PPR 1QB, 3RB, 4WR, 1TE, 1FLEX
QBs - Josh Allen, Matt Ryan, Lock, Eason
RBs - Barkley, Cook, Swift, Cam Akers, Mack, K. Johnson,
WRs - Michael Thomas, A Robinson II, Chark Jr, Tee Higgins, Woods, Sutton, B Edwards, Hardman, Zach Pascal, Van Jefferson, Berrios, Gandy-Golden, Tyler Johnson, P Campbell
TE - Fant, Ebron, Kmet
QBs - Bridgewater, Cousins, Darnold, Rudolph
RBs - Miles Sanders, Ronald Jones, Mixon, Fournette, Mike Davis, Gio Bernard, T. Coleman, Damien Williams, Love
WRs - DHop, Chris Godwin, DK Metcalf, DJ Chark, Beckham Jr, DJ Moore, Sutton, Kirk, Edelman, Tre'Quan Smith, Anthony Miller, Van Jefferson, Jalen Guyton, Peoples-Jones, Marcus Johnson
TEs- Kittle, Hockenson, Tonyan, Njoku, Trautman
IDP: Lavonte David, Roquan Smith
K: Greg Zuerlein
Team 2: 12 Team PPR 1QB, 3RB, 4WR, 1TE, 1FLEX
QBs - Josh Allen, Matt Ryan, Lock, Eason
RBs - Barkley, Cook, Swift, Cam Akers, Mack, K. Johnson,
WRs - Michael Thomas, A Robinson II, Chark Jr, Tee Higgins, Woods, Sutton, B Edwards, Hardman, Zach Pascal, Van Jefferson, Berrios, Gandy-Golden, Tyler Johnson, P Campbell
TE - Fant, Ebron, Kmet
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Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
Stud- From the 1st round, only Fournette plays up to his ADP production wise and that's off volume. He has a very Melvin Gordonesque 1st year and there is alot of arguing over his potential.
Cook hold value due to their situation and occasional flashes but don't give return value on their ADP.
Mixon doesn't give much production for his draft spot and can be bought cheaper than he currently goes for half way through the season. He then spikes next year after Hill leaves.
Kupp keeps us interested in him and leads all Rams WR's in production. Those numbers though are still unstartable. Ha.
Perine "Should have the job" but never does because Kelley is too reliable. Every FFL player and even the Washington coaches wish he was the lead back but he continues to make mistakes and ends up on the weak side of timeshare all season.
Hunt is the lead back in KC by end of the year and is the best value in the late 1st/early 2nd round.
Bust-
Every TE because that's the case every year.
Every WR in the 1st round.
CMC gets hurt because he runs slightly to upright.
The entire class leaves us anticipating the 2018 class(which will inevitably let us down)
Cook hold value due to their situation and occasional flashes but don't give return value on their ADP.
Mixon doesn't give much production for his draft spot and can be bought cheaper than he currently goes for half way through the season. He then spikes next year after Hill leaves.
Kupp keeps us interested in him and leads all Rams WR's in production. Those numbers though are still unstartable. Ha.
Perine "Should have the job" but never does because Kelley is too reliable. Every FFL player and even the Washington coaches wish he was the lead back but he continues to make mistakes and ends up on the weak side of timeshare all season.
Hunt is the lead back in KC by end of the year and is the best value in the late 1st/early 2nd round.
Bust-
Every TE because that's the case every year.
Every WR in the 1st round.
CMC gets hurt because he runs slightly to upright.
The entire class leaves us anticipating the 2018 class(which will inevitably let us down)
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr
11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)
Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White
Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo
Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker
24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5
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12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning
JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker
Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,
Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins
24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5
11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)
Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White
Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo
Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker
24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5
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Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning
JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker
Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,
Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins
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Good Surprise: Taywan Taylor, De'Angelo Henderson, Gallman (maybe)
Bad Surprise: Deshaun Watson
Bad Surprise: Deshaun Watson
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Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
Surprise Stud: Christian McCaffrey - guy is a special talent and already juking Luke Keuchly out of his cleats in training camp. He's one of those RBs that can touch the ball 10 times a game and be a difference maker. Just wait until Jonathan Stewart tweaks a hamstring in Week 3, and McCaffrey gets 15-20 touches per game...
Surprise Bust: Samaje Perine - I actually think he's a pretty good RB, just not great. Short term, he's going to split carries with Rob Kelley and lose receptions to Chris Thompson. Long term, I think Kirk Cousins leaves after this season, and WAS returns to being a dumpster fire.
Surprise Bust: Samaje Perine - I actually think he's a pretty good RB, just not great. Short term, he's going to split carries with Rob Kelley and lose receptions to Chris Thompson. Long term, I think Kirk Cousins leaves after this season, and WAS returns to being a dumpster fire.
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QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
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QB: Kyler Murray, Aaron Rodgers
RB: Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, James Conner, Phillip Lindsay, Tevin Coleman, Boston Scott, Benny Snell Jr.
WR: Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Michael Gallup, Christian Kirk
TE: George Kittle, Travis Kelce | K: Younghoe Koo | DST: SF
PS: Mecole Hardman, Tony Pollard | 2020 Picks: 1.09, 2.10, 3.03 | 2021 Picks: 1st, 2nd
Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
The number of people listing rookie tight ends as "busts" in year one is funny. Re-adjust your expectations.
My only call here is gonna be Alvin Kamara as a bust. Considering he and Dalvin seem to go back to back in a lot of rookie drafts and he's being drafted as the "situation" guy....think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with that investment both short & long term.
My only call here is gonna be Alvin Kamara as a bust. Considering he and Dalvin seem to go back to back in a lot of rookie drafts and he's being drafted as the "situation" guy....think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with that investment both short & long term.
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QB: R. Wilson, T. Brady, K. Cousins
RB: M. Gordon, D. Cook, T. Coleman, J. McKinnon, I. Smith
WR: B. Cooks, J. Jones, A.J. Green, S. Watkins, M. Williams, M. Valdes-Scantling, J. Ross, M. Lee, T. Taylor, P. Richardson
TE: T. Kelce, D. Njoku, J. Smith
TAXI: B. Snell, M. Weber, K. Warring
2021: 3rd, 3rd, 4th
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QB: R. Wilson, T. Brady, K. Cousins
RB: M. Gordon, D. Cook, T. Coleman, J. McKinnon, I. Smith
WR: B. Cooks, J. Jones, A.J. Green, S. Watkins, M. Williams, M. Valdes-Scantling, J. Ross, M. Lee, T. Taylor, P. Richardson
TE: T. Kelce, D. Njoku, J. Smith
TAXI: B. Snell, M. Weber, K. Warring
2021: 3rd, 3rd, 4th
Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
I'm with you on the CMC train. I think he's going to have 2k all purpose yards if he gets return duties. If he can somehow put together 6-10 scores as well (8 shouldn't be extraordinary, just depends on Cam bouncing back to form I think), then he has OROY written all over him. He's a marketing dream for the league...squeaky clean, pretty boy, and if he can add electric to the mix he'll start landing a lot of endorsements (if he hasn't already).WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:40 pm Surprise Stud: Christian McCaffrey - guy is a special talent and already juking Luke Keuchly out of his cleats in training camp. He's one of those RBs that can touch the ball 10 times a game and be a difference maker. Just wait until Jonathan Stewart tweaks a hamstring in Week 3, and McCaffrey gets 15-20 touches per game...
Surprise Bust: Samaje Perine - I actually think he's a pretty good RB, just not great. Short term, he's going to split carries with Rob Kelley and lose receptions to Chris Thompson. Long term, I think Kirk Cousins leaves after this season, and WAS returns to being a dumpster fire.
As for busts, I could sadly see your point on the Perine post. I have him everywhere and still feel like he's a better runner than fatRob, but if he's not getting consistent touches, he's just another wait and see type of player. Need to see something out of him in preseason. Run someone(s) over and get a score.
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That would definitely qualify as a surprisejpusmc0311 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:17 am Surprise studs: Conner Kupp, Joe Williams, Josh Reynolds
Surprise Busts: Dede Westbrook, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara
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Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
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cooper kupp is gonna be a stud. he came to camp running routes like a vet and helping other receivers line up properly from every receiver position. and has glue on his hands. i hope you guys picked him up if you had the chance.
cooper kupp is gonna be a stud. he came to camp running routes like a vet and helping other receivers line up properly from every receiver position. and has glue on his hands. i hope you guys picked him up if you had the chance.
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I agree on the tight ends. I don't mean bust in the normal sense of the word. There is just some unreasonable expectations going on for this class of TE. Some of the projected stat lines are just silly. Guys like Njoku are just going to be completely outplayed by Seth Devalve this year and that's fine. Njoku can still be a monster in the future but he won't be the number target on the team, not even the number one TE. And everyone seems to be ignoring this.btv802 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:20 pm The number of people listing rookie tight ends as "busts" in year one is funny. Re-adjust your expectations.
My only call here is gonna be Alvin Kamara as a bust. Considering he and Dalvin seem to go back to back in a lot of rookie drafts and he's being drafted as the "situation" guy....think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with that investment both short & long term.
TEAM 1 - 12 man SF. ppr, TEP 1.65 ppr
11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)
Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White
Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo
Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker
24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5
Team 2-
12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning
JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker
Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,
Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins
24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5
11 starters - QB, RB(2) WR(3) TE, SF, Flex(3)
Stroud, Kyler, Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Minshew, Trey Lance, Dalton l, Mike White
Breece, Achane, AJ Dillon, Justice Hill, Evan Hull, Chris Rodgriquez
Chase, Lamb, Waddle, Olave, London Drake, Demario Davis, Jake Bobo
Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, Kincaid, Schoonmaker
24 picks - 1x2, 3,4,5
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12 man SF, .25ppc, .5ppr rbs, 1 ppr wr, 1.5 ppr TE
Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawerence, Jake Haehner, Jake Browning
JT, Kendre Miller,, K Ingram, Ty Chandler, Michael Carter, Kenny Macintosh, Sean Tucker
Puka, Rondale, Mooney, Wan’dale, Terrace Marshall, DPJ, Justyn Ross, Xavier Hutchinson,
Kyle Pitts, Luke Musgrave, Juwan Johnson, Darnell Washington, Jelani Woods, Elijah Higgins
24 - 1st x 3, 2nd x 2, 4th x 3 ,5
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Re: 2017 Rookie Surprise Sleepers and Busts
The amount of Dalvin Cook bust predictions is kind of astonishing considering the RAVE reviews coming from everyone from coaches, to players, to media about how explosive and smooth Cook has looked. With a revamped OLine and path cleared for the starting load, Cook's bust potential has substantially fallen in the past week
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