Toughest Players to Trade
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David Johnson is pretty hard to trade. A fair package up for him usually takes away too many pieces from another team.
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It's funny that I happen to own a lot of players mentioned on here. Or did anyway. I sold Michael Thomas this off-season with McCoy, 1.10 and 1.12 for AB, Snead and 2.01.
But hard sells have been DT, Larry Fitz (age), J-Matt, Shepard and Jimmy Graham for me.
But hard sells have been DT, Larry Fitz (age), J-Matt, Shepard and Jimmy Graham for me.
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Veteran WR's in their late 20's-30's are the poster child for this thread. They don't have high dynasty value but they are consistent and will win you leagues.
Players like:
Julian Edelman
Emmanuel Sanders
Golden Tate
Demaryius Thomas
Larry Fitzgerald
Brandon Marshall
Michael Crabtree since joining Oakland
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The problem is, you might not be able to sell these older studs/high production players during the season either - if they have a down year (or have one again, in some cases), then the value of what you can get back in trade keeps circling the drain.Chris_R wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:29 pmThis.maxhyde wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:09 pm
I think the problem is trying to sell production in the offseason....just don't. The 27+yr olds that you are pretty confident will score, just hold until late august or september. Guys like AJG/Dez/DT/McCoy have value when when the paper studs aren't scoring like people are expecting in June/July
It's also weird seeing people act like AJG, Dez, DT, or Alshon are old. I would be trying to trade for any of those guys right now especially if someone was trying to rid them because they are about to be "old" . As mentioned these are the guys whose value comes back up strong in the season when they are dropping 25 points a week and people are losing games with their rookies like Treadwell and Corey Coleman. Everyone always feels like their next pick is gonna be OBJ or Mike Thomas.
To make things worse, they then soon turn 30 - losing another huge chunk of trade value.
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Try living in the greater Philadelphia area and being turned down time and time again when asking Eagles fans for a 1st round pick for DeMarco Murray.
Still hold bitter resentment for the 2015 season and feel that Murray is a heartbeat away from being irrelevant. Thanks Chip Kelly.
Still hold bitter resentment for the 2015 season and feel that Murray is a heartbeat away from being irrelevant. Thanks Chip Kelly.
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TY is impossible for me to sell. Has top 12-15 startup value, but isn't attracting anything close. No joke, my best offer is Kevin White and pick 8.
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He turns 28 during the season. He's not far off from that group of late 20's-early 30's WR's who have more lineup value than trade value. This is probably the last time to get peak value for Hilton.Hahaclintondix wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:38 pm TY is impossible for me to sell. Has top 12-15 startup value, but isn't attracting anything close. No joke, my best offer is Kevin White and pick 8.
I still think Hilton's a great buy though. He's Andrew Luck's Marvin Harrison and probably has 4-5 more 1,000+ yard seasons in him.
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Yeah, not to derail the thread too much but most people knew that was a bad signing for the Eagles, it was mainly to keep him from re-signing with my Cowboys, imo. That offense didn't fit Murray and the Titans have an o-line and offensive philosophy much more similar to the Cowboys.TheRookiePro wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:42 pm Try living in the greater Philadelphia area and being turned down time and time again when asking Eagles fans for a 1st round pick for DeMarco Murray.
Still hold bitter resentment for the 2015 season and feel that Murray is a heartbeat away from being irrelevant. Thanks Chip Kelly.
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Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:42 pmYou just compared TY Hilton to Marvin Harrison. I know it's not in the context of saying he's a also going to be a Hall of Fame WR and also a top 10 WR ever. But still, don't do that.Hahaclintondix wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:38 pm I still think Hilton's a great buy though. He's Andrew Luck's Marvin Harrison and probably has 4-5 more 1,000+ yard seasons in him.
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TheRookiePro wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:16 pmI actually see the slight comparison, TY is Andrew's security blanket and they are signed long-term together in Indy.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:42 pmYou just compared TY Hilton to Marvin Harrison. I know it's not in the context of saying he's a also going to be a Hall of Fame WR and also a top 10 WR ever. But still, don't do that.Hahaclintondix wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:38 pm I still think Hilton's a great buy though. He's Andrew Luck's Marvin Harrison and probably has 4-5 more 1,000+ yard seasons in him.
With TY's great route running skills and understanding of how to beat zone coverages I could see him easily having 4-5 more great seasons and eventually ending up as the Colts' #2 all-time WR only behind Harrison (and ahead of Reggie)
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He's a receiver who plays for the Colts. That's where the similarities end.
Marvin Harrison was one of the best to ever play the game. His 2002 season is right up there with 1995 Jerry Rice and 2007 Randy Moss. Don't get me wrong TY is a hell of a player. But people forget how much of a legend Marvin was.
Marvin Harrison was one of the best to ever play the game. His 2002 season is right up there with 1995 Jerry Rice and 2007 Randy Moss. Don't get me wrong TY is a hell of a player. But people forget how much of a legend Marvin was.
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Harrison is Indy's #1, TY is at worst their #4 after next season, they have much more in common than you think.TheRookiePro wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:12 pm He's a receiver who plays for the Colts. That's where the similarities end.
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And that's just the five years that he's been in the league, one of those was with Matt Hasselbeck/Charlie Whitehurst as his QB for half the season.
By the end of TY's career he could end being third in Colts history, he just doesn't have the TDs that Harrison had, but obviously Peyton Manning is to thank for a big chunk of making all of that happen.
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Have been getting a ton of "not interested" replys when shopping Dez, even when offering him for guys 5-10 spots back in ADP. Lockett has also drawn 0 interest from anybody owning players a little further back in ADP.
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I think this is a pipe dream in almost every league. The reality is that a contender is a contender because they already have pieces and are almost never in the market. The whole idea of holding a player until some time during the season rarely works out. Even if you can get a trade done, it's unlikely to be for more value than they are worth today. The contenders needing that stop gap aren't going to overpay...they are going to view the player most likely worth LESS because they are little more than an option for a couple of weeks.
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Not disagreeing with anything here, but injuries do happen and sometimes people will overpay to find a replacement of similar caliber. In general though, I would just try to be actively trading the player at all times if possible. This means gaining insight into what your opponents are thinking and using that to your advantage.skip wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:43 amI think this is a pipe dream in almost every league. The reality is that a contender is a contender because they already have pieces and are almost never in the market. The whole idea of holding a player until some time during the season rarely works out. Even if you can get a trade done, it's unlikely to be for more value than they are worth today. The contenders needing that stop gap aren't going to overpay...they are going to view the player most likely worth LESS because they are little more than an option for a couple of weeks.
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