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Re: Eric Decker

Postby Space Cowboy » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:42 pm

nabright wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:21 pm Only guy this helps is Mariota.
Yeah, I actually don't think this hurts Davis much.

Matthews' value takes a monster hit. He was looking like a bargain bin WR2. He and Mariota formed some great chemistry in the second half of the year.

Expect Taylor to drop 5/6 spots in upcoming rookie drafts. That'd be a nice snag in the mid to late 3rd.

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby DLF3000 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:45 pm

Yeah this is great for Mariota, and obviously for Decker.

They could really let Mariota fly if they want to the next few years, wow.
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Re: Eric Decker

Postby osubuckeyeman » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:57 pm

I don't think this hurts Davis at all in Dynasty. 30-year-old WR coming off a season ending injury. Might hurt Matthews quite a bit however Matthews is talented and will still put up solid numbers just not as good with Decker.

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby ImaRounder » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:12 pm

Also thinks this helps Demarco/Henry. More outside threats really could help in the rz

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby 12thManAdvantage » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:55 pm

ImaRounder wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:12 pm Also thinks this helps Demarco/Henry. More outside threats really could help in the rz
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Re: Eric Decker

Postby pierson242 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:04 pm

osubuckeyeman wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:57 pm I don't think this hurts Davis at all in Dynasty. 30-year-old WR coming off a season ending injury. Might hurt Matthews quite a bit however Matthews is talented and will still put up solid numbers just not as good with Decker.
Helps Mariota Davis an Mathew, Murray/Henry
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I think it bumps Taylor back for a year or so but helps give Mathews and Davis a veteran to learn from.
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Re: Eric Decker

Postby schiewerma21 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:19 pm

I don't think this can be a good thing for Davis but long term it's irrelevant. 4 viable targets for a team that doesn't pass lol.

If anything this definitely absolutely 100% moves Davis below fournette. Saying otherwise is silly.

But I still am ok with him being 1.02
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Re: Eric Decker

Postby Deja_Entendu » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:24 pm

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Helps Mariota Davis an Mathew, Murray/Henry
Hurts Taylor

I think it bumps Taylor back for a year or so but helps give Mathews and Davis a veteran to learn from.
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Not sure how it could help both Davis and Matthews. Matthews is already a veteran not sure how much more he could grow from Decker being there.

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby jcc6fd » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:25 pm

schiewerma21 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:19 pm I don't think this can be a good thing for Davis but long term it's irrelevant. 4 viable targets for a team that doesn't pass lol.

If anything this definitely absolutely 100% moves Davis below fournette. Saying otherwise is silly.

But I still am ok with him being 1.02
This is where I'm at. We want to pretend that rookie production or production one year to the next doesn't affect dynasty value, but it does. Fournette will probably finish as an RB1 provided he doesn't bust, thus vaulting him into the top 5 RB conversation. If Davis is a WR3 we can be excited about the future, but his value will dip below where it is now next offseason. Adding Decker, even if Decker is just okay, will take targets, yards and TDs away from Davis.
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Re: Eric Decker

Postby lukkynumber13 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:24 am

This doesn't change my view on Davis one bit.

I wasn't planning on starting him more than maybe 2 or so weeks in 2017, that really doesn't change.
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Re: Eric Decker

Postby FiremanEd » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:47 am

Yeah, I don't understand how this could actually change anything. You like his outlook as a player or you don't. Decker doesn't change who Davis is or what his future will be. This is strictly a Year 1 volume item and I don't get how this would shake up your rankings. If you like someone else then I get it, but 15 fewer targets year 1 making him drop? You were bound to not be successful anyway if that's the case. Rookie production does impact future value some, but maybe it's just me, but I'm not looking to movie my highly touted rookie after year 1 anyway. I also don't pass on 'my guy' just in hopes I can acquire him 'cheaper' a bit later. If you want the production then one of the RBs should have been the play anyway, assuming you believe in them.

In terms of the Titans overall, that offense is coming together and I look forward to watching them. Seems inevitable Delanie Walker will lose a few targets. There never was anything before and now he has talented other weapons. Given he's a win now piece, that's the biggest impact, though I still expect TE1 numbers. Matthews was always going to be highly volatile, but now much more so. I'd have a tough time feeling comfortable with him in my lineup.

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby jeffster » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:48 am

It seems perfectly reasonable that this changes some rankings:

- Fournette was a close second
- This is dynasty, but year 1 matters to

I still question whether this hurts year 1 either though. I mean, unless your expectations were OBJ 2014, you probably weren't expecting stud numbers to start anyway. And on top of that, it's pretty easy to see this hurting his volume a bit but helping his efficiency.

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby Big Al » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:00 am

Pretty much makes Sharpe worthless?

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:14 am

jeffster wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:48 am It seems perfectly reasonable that this changes some rankings:

- Fournette was a close second
- This is dynasty, but year 1 matters to

I still question whether this hurts year 1 either though. I mean, unless your expectations were OBJ 2014, you probably weren't expecting stud numbers to start anyway. And on top of that, it's pretty easy to see this hurting his volume a bit but helping his efficiency.
For WR's, Year 1 is not that important. Most WR's are not fantasy relevant in their rookie season.

Titans spent a 5th overall pick on Davis. They're going to use him a ton while he's in Nashville. Will he be targeted heavily as a rookie? Maybe not. They're already a run-first offense and now they suddenly have a solid group of weapons with Davis, Decker, Matthews and Walker.

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Re: Eric Decker

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:33 am

In principal I agree with the this doesn't change anything argument, but the argument that this affects Davis is all about trade value. His trade value will be less if he has 150 fewer yards as a rookie. If it doesn't you play in some very disciplined leagues, which I'm sure is great. Bottom line is if Fournette is a top 12 RB and Davis is a WR 3, Fournette will be going much earlier in start ups and will be worth more in the offseason, at which point you could trade him for Davis + if you were so inclined.

I guess what I'd like to see is someone argue is that Davis won't have less production due to the Decker signing. If that were the case then I wouldn't change my rankings at all (though I had Fournette at 1 anyway).
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