2017 Running Back Report

[Bot101]

Yeah Fournette obviously top pick. But without my 1st I am hoping to get some gems. I already tried offering the Jones owner a 2nd and buck allen and it was rejected.

Like I mentioned above. Most in my league are difficult to trade with. They either want your stars for a handful of scrubs, wont respond to inquires or actual offers or flat reject anything you offer.

Ive txted multiple times to the owner who has my 1st, wont respond.

Foreman owner wont trade anyone he likes no matter what you offer. And low balls you badly when he makes offers.

A couple guys get irritated just starting trade talks.

One guy is 100% redraft oriented and cant see beyond this season. He doesnt even know anyone on my bench.

Everyone over values a 1st (one guy offered his 1st for Cooper and Kelce).

Sorry. Kind of a rant. But the draft went poorly for me and I decided to pull the plug and get a head start on a semi rebuild. However its hard to do that in this league so far.

[Friction]

If not for the injury, Cook and Hunt would be in a tight battle for ORotY.

Injury aside to Cook, I was more worried about losing my Hunt ROY bet to Fournette and now even Watson. They looove to give awards to Qbs at any chance and I feel they will continue to be in shootouts, garbage time points etc. with their defensive injuries. Fournette just had his big break out game and even a semi-slow start behind an average Oline and Bortles still yielded a td per week. Cook had me worried too, but I knew their offense as a whole would stumble on the road per the norm, though he still may have gotten his. I think it may be more that I expected an injury from him, being a pessimist in that regard. Usually I hate predicting injuries, but my gut feeling was just that. Either way the ROY race should be interesting to say the least.

[lukkynumber13]

Yeah Fournette obviously top pick. But without my 1st I am hoping to get some gems. I already tried offering the Jones owner a 2nd and buck allen and it was rejected.

Like I mentioned above. Most in my league are difficult to trade with. They either want your stars for a handful of scrubs, wont respond to inquires or actual offers or flat reject anything you offer.

Ive txted multiple times to the owner who has my 1st, wont respond.

Foreman owner wont trade anyone he likes no matter what you offer. And low balls you badly when he makes offers.

A couple guys get irritated just starting trade talks.

One guy is 100% redraft oriented and cant see beyond this season. He doesnt even know anyone on my bench.

Everyone over values a 1st (one guy offered his 1st for Cooper and Kelce).

Sorry. Kind of a rant. But the draft went poorly for me and I decided to pull the plug and get a head start on a semi rebuild. However its hard to do that in this league so far.

That sounds EXACTLY like the league dynamics of my team 1 league. It's so freaking frustrating and saps the fun out of it. I'm actually strongly considering quitting the league, which I don't take lightly :/

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Like I mentioned above. Most in my league are difficult to trade with. They either want your stars for a handful of scrubs, wont respond to inquires or actual offers or flat reject anything you offer.


Sorry. Kind of a rant. But the draft went poorly for me and I decided to pull the plug and get a head start on a semi rebuild. However its hard to do that in this league so far.

I'm in a league like that and you simply have to be patient and continue to acquire good players. Often times leagues like this overvalue Rb's so give them what they want. Sell any non-elite RB for 1sts (or 2nds depending on the player) if you can, especially in a rebuild. I had the 1.02 this year (via trade) and wanted to move up for Fournette but the owner wouldn't budge. After the rookie draft I think I offered Cooper + 1st (before the season started) for Fournette and it was still an instant reject simply because he didn't want me to have Fournette on my team. It was an asinine reason but you just have to take your lumps and move on. There will be times when you can get a deal done, maybe fewer and farther between than in most leagues but there will be opportunities that you can capitalize on.

If not for the injury, Cook and Hunt would be in a tight battle for ORotY.

Assuming good health, I feel more confident in Hunt being able to continue his pace of production than I do Watson. I agree, if it's close they'll give it to Watson. Even though it was his lowest YPC of the year, I was very impressed with Hunt's game against the Texans. It was tough sledding for most of the night but imo he played really well and put up a respectable stat line.

That sounds EXACTLY like the league dynamics of my team 1 league. It's so freaking frustrating and saps the fun out of it. I'm actually strongly considering quitting the league, which I don't take lightly :/

I agree, leagues like that aren't fun at all even if you have a great team. I'm in a superflex league with a bunch of DLF'ers and my team is horrible yet it's highly enjoyable for me.

[IR1]

Once again DD you've been pretty bang on. Well done.

Badly underrated Hunt, currently missing with Foreman, completely faceplanted with Cook (the injury doesn't alter the fact he was a beast behind a mediocre O-line the first four weeks).

What are my chances of getting RBs like this in rnd 2? I dont have a 1st so I am a little worried. My league is difficult to trade with.

You want a no-brainer like Fournette from practically any class, you have to have 1.1 or 1.2, of course.

Hunt wouid've been the ideal target this year for virtually any draft position, but this model failed to rate him highly enough.

Mixon is a recommended buy-low. His PFF grade is excellent and all the more impressive for the fact that he's managing it with bad production. The tape-graders are saying he isn't leaving yards on the field. Better days are coming for Mixon. Might have to wait till '18 for it, but the Devonta Freeman owners that kept the faith through his rookie year behind a garbage O-line are laughing all the way to the bank now. Trust the tape, not the stats.

The injury is devastating, but Cook owners won't be selling him for anything short of a king's ransom, not after how he looked and performed the first four weeks. If not for the injury, Cook and Hunt would be in a tight battle for ORotY.

Foreman would've been a doable round 2 target in a lot of leagues. Of course, round 2 or even 3 turned out to be his deserving draft position. Foreman hasn't faceplanted, but Miller is comfortably outplaying him on tape. He's presently at no risk of losing his job to Foreman. Foreman owners have to 'hope' for a major injury.

Aaron Jones was there for the taking for anyone. Jamaal Williams had a lot of people fooled. Even I went from an early Aaron Jones table thumper, to a more cautious attitude closer to August as I warmed up to Williams. It would be very bold and a big risk, but I think offering an '18 2nd for Jones right now could payoff in a big way.

I think his report was for a multiple year period, not a 5 week window. With that in mind, I’d still be willing to pay for Hunt or Cook

[Bot101]

Like I mentioned above. Most in my league are difficult to trade with. They either want your stars for a handful of scrubs, wont respond to inquires or actual offers or flat reject anything you offer.


Sorry. Kind of a rant. But the draft went poorly for me and I decided to pull the plug and get a head start on a semi rebuild. However its hard to do that in this league so far.

I'm in a league like that and you simply have to be patient and continue to acquire good players. Often times leagues like this overvalue Rb's so give them what they want. Sell any non-elite RB for 1sts (or 2nds depending on the player) if you can, especially in a rebuild. I had the 1.02 this year (via trade) and wanted to move up for Fournette but the owner wouldn't budge. After the rookie draft I think I offered Cooper + 1st (before the season started) for Fournette and it was still an instant reject simply because he didn't want me to have Fournette on my team. It was an asinine reason but you just have to take your lumps and move on. There will be times when you can get a deal done, maybe fewer and farther between than in most leagues but there will be opportunities that you can capitalize on.

If not for the injury, Cook and Hunt would be in a tight battle for ORotY.

Assuming good health, I feel more confident in Hunt being able to continue his pace of production than I do Watson. I agree, if it's close they'll give it to Watson. Even though it was his lowest YPC of the year, I was very impressed with Hunt's game against the Texans. It was tough sledding for most of the night but imo he played really well and put up a respectable stat line.

That sounds EXACTLY like the league dynamics of my team 1 league. It's so freaking frustrating and saps the fun out of it. I'm actually strongly considering quitting the league, which I don't take lightly :/

I agree, leagues like that aren't fun at all even if you have a great team. I'm in a superflex league with a bunch of DLF'ers and my team is horrible yet it's highly enjoyable for me.

Yeah Id love to do trade any non elite RBs. But no one even inquires when I put a player on the block. Dez, Cooper and Kelce. And I got zip. The only RBs I have are in sig. The only ones that generate interest are elite ones. The others wont even get a response.

[ninotoreS]

Injury aside to Cook, I was more worried about losing my Hunt ROY bet to Fournette and now even Watson.

I'm a Watson owner. I'm very pleased with the guy, but I don't believe he can keep up these stats. Once DCs get enough tape on him, I think we should see his performance dip. And Fournette will struggle with efficiency all season because he's gonna face stacked boxes all Sunday, every Sunday. I'm guessing he'll have one or two more games like last week, but mostly it's gonna be more games like Weeks 1 through 4.

Hunt, I suspect, will never struggle because that offense he's in is perfect for sustaining what he's doing, unless injuries wreck that O-line. I believe Cook had been the only other rookie with a shot at keeping pace with Hunt's numbers to the end of the year.

[Ryantacular]

Injury aside to Cook, I was more worried about losing my Hunt ROY bet to Fournette and now even Watson.

I'm a Watson owner. I'm very pleased with the guy, but I don't believe he can keep up these stats. Once DCs get enough tape on him, I think we should see his performance dip. And Fournette will struggle with efficiency all season because he's gonna face stacked boxes all Sunday, every Sunday. I'm guessing he'll have one or two more games like last week, but mostly it's gonna be more games like Weeks 1 through 4.

Hunt, I suspect, will never struggle because that offense he's in is perfect for sustaining what he's doing, unless injuries wreck that O-line. I believe Cook had been the only other rookie with a shot at keeping pace with Hunt's numbers to the end of the year.

Looks like Fournette had another big week, and Hunt struggled.

[ninotoreS]

Looks like Fournette had another big week, and Hunt struggled.

Don't think you checked that box-score closely enough.

Hunt had a 110 yards from scrimmage, dude. Even on a day when the opponent so dominated time of possession that Hunt was only able to get nine carries, he just goes for 5-89 as the team's #1 receiver, instead.

As for Leo, we know he's a stud, never been any doubt of that. But he has four games of 3.8, 2.9, 3.5, and 3.6 ypc through six weeks because Jax's offense is like a one-armed man. That isn't Leo's fault, but it's his cross to bear all the same.

Hunt has the #1 grade in PFF, btw. A 92. Fournette's overall grade so far is 83.

[ImaRounder]

I get that Leo has been producing at a high level in terms of fantasy, but like ninotore said his yards per carry is worrisome a little because of the stacked boxes. Jax has completely taken away bortels ability to make a play. The seemed content handing the ball off while trailing the rams most of the game. I don't think you can go wrong with Leo or hunt.

I'm not a CMC guy by any means but I think he could be used even more in the passing game. Car has shown an inability to run the ball between the tackles, I think they should swing it out even more and get him in space.

[Concept Coop]

Looks like Fournette had another big week, and Hunt struggled.

Don't think you checked that box-score closely enough.

Hunt had a 110 yards from scrimmage, dude. Even on a day when the opponent so dominated time of possession that Hunt was only able to get nine carries, he just goes for 5-89 as the team's #1 receiver, instead.

As for Leo, we know he's a stud, never been any doubt of that. But he has four games of 3.8, 2.9, 3.5, and 3.6 ypc through six weeks because Jax's offense is like a one-armed man. That isn't Leo's fault, but it's his cross to bear all the same.

Hunt has the #1 grade in PFF, btw. A 92. Fournette's overall grade so far is 83.

It's worth pointing out that Hunt got those targets because West was out. West is clearly the passing down back right now. I like Hunt a good deal (even though I don't own him ), but doesn't save the game like that with a healthy West.

[maxhyde]

Looks like Fournette had another big week, and Hunt struggled.

Don't think you checked that box-score closely enough.

Hunt had a 110 yards from scrimmage, dude. Even on a day when the opponent so dominated time of possession that Hunt was only able to get nine carries, he just goes for 5-89 as the team's #1 receiver, instead.

As for Leo, we know he's a stud, never been any doubt of that. But he has four games of 3.8, 2.9, 3.5, and 3.6 ypc through six weeks because Jax's offense is like a one-armed man. That isn't Leo's fault, but it's his cross to bear all the same.

Hunt has the #1 grade in PFF, btw. A 92. Fournette's overall grade so far is 83.

Yep...he collected that garbage time stat line we typically see for WR's...except the Chiefs have none and Hill/Kelce were blanketed all day. Good to be the go-to guy in any offense.

While I like Hunt and he is playing really well, what Fournette is doing in JAX is more impressive to me. The ypc means little to me but when teams in the NFL know you are coming in to run the ball and you still run the ball...that is impressive. It isn't as though the JAX Oline is above average or anything

[GridironGuerilla]

There seems to be a community wide disdain for the YPC statistic but I always see it used in these arguments to qualify opinions on player... Make your minds up people!

[maxhyde]

There seems to be a community wide disdain for the YPC statistic but I always see it used in these arguments to qualify opinions on player... Make your minds up people!

When it fits the narrative they are pushing it is convenient you have to admit

[Tennisbuck]

This is such an excellent thread and thanks DDL for all
Of your insights. I wish I would of seen this before my draft! Do you like any of the rookie rbs that might be in free agency. Matt days, Elijah Mc, Jamal Williams.