This is spot on. It's all about context and depth situation with almost any player. If KB is your WR1 or WR2 on your team then I agree - that's not the guy you can confidently lock into your starting lineup from week 1 to week 17 and never have to worry about him not producing good numbers. If KB is your WR3, then you're doing fine, and he should still give you 70-80 catches, 900-1100 yards, and 7-9 TD's. And then if KB is your WR4 or even further down the pecking order, then you have depth on depth on depth, and you're in good shape.
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I used to be much lower than consensus on Benjamin and thought he was terribly overrated, but the hate for him has gone far enough now that I now think he's becoming a value.
He's never going to be an elite WR, but he's still a 26yo WR1 for his team, and the main viable RZ option for the team. I really don't see McCaffrey/Samuel hurting Benjamin at all, and I expect Kelvin to still be a perennial 1k-1100 yard WR with double digit TD capability. Not the most exciting fantasy option, but still a rock solid WR2-WR3. I'm seeing a lot of people valuing him as a very late 1st, and at that price I'll take Benjamin every time. We could only hope that a rookie in that range would turn into the type of production that Kelvin puts up, and it's not like we're talking about a guy that's about to be 30yo.
He's never going to be an elite WR, but he's still a 26yo WR1 for his team, and the main viable RZ option for the team. I really don't see McCaffrey/Samuel hurting Benjamin at all, and I expect Kelvin to still be a perennial 1k-1100 yard WR with double digit TD capability. Not the most exciting fantasy option, but still a rock solid WR2-WR3. I'm seeing a lot of people valuing him as a very late 1st, and at that price I'll take Benjamin every time. We could only hope that a rookie in that range would turn into the type of production that Kelvin puts up, and it's not like we're talking about a guy that's about to be 30yo.
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
Yeah but no one I know is selling for late 1sts. I think some of the haters say they would sell for that but when did they ever pay up to own him?BuckeyeNation wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2017 8:58 am I used to be much lower than consensus on Benjamin and thought he was terribly overrated, but the hate for him has gone far enough now that I now think he's becoming a value.
He's never going to be an elite WR, but he's still a 26yo WR1 for his team, and the main viable RZ option for the team. I really don't see McCaffrey/Samuel hurting Benjamin at all, and I expect Kelvin to still be a perennial 1k-1100 yard WR with double digit TD capability. Not the most exciting fantasy option, but still a rock solid WR2-WR3. I'm seeing a lot of people valuing him as a very late 1st, and at that price I'll take Benjamin every time. We could only hope that a rookie in that range would turn into the type of production that Kelvin puts up, and it's not like we're talking about a guy that's about to be 30yo.
Most of my leagues KB owners are wanting 6-9 so when you put Ross/OJ Howard in front of me or KB I may just take what is there at the pick...if we are talking Kamara/Juju/Hunt/Perine I probably take KB unless I need a RB very badly
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
I just acquired KB for the 1.11 in one league (league 3 in sig, haven't updated my sig in forever, but the rest of the WR corps is still there). I personally thought it was a steal, because as much as I love Engram (and I really love Evan Engram), at 1.11 he won't produce like KB will neither this year, or the next. But I see what you're saying, KB for the 1.11 isn't the norm. I value him around 1.07-1.08.maxhyde wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2017 10:08 amYeah but no one I know is selling for late 1sts. I think some of the haters say they would sell for that but when did they ever pay up to own him?BuckeyeNation wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2017 8:58 am I used to be much lower than consensus on Benjamin and thought he was terribly overrated, but the hate for him has gone far enough now that I now think he's becoming a value.
He's never going to be an elite WR, but he's still a 26yo WR1 for his team, and the main viable RZ option for the team. I really don't see McCaffrey/Samuel hurting Benjamin at all, and I expect Kelvin to still be a perennial 1k-1100 yard WR with double digit TD capability. Not the most exciting fantasy option, but still a rock solid WR2-WR3. I'm seeing a lot of people valuing him as a very late 1st, and at that price I'll take Benjamin every time. We could only hope that a rookie in that range would turn into the type of production that Kelvin puts up, and it's not like we're talking about a guy that's about to be 30yo.
Most of my leagues KB owners are wanting 6-9 so when you put Ross/OJ Howard in front of me or KB I may just take what is there at the pick...if we are talking Kamara/Juju/Hunt/Perine I probably take KB unless I need a RB very badly
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I realize he was more boom/bust than anticipated but for KBs 2 healthy seasons he was WR16 and WR19 in PPR scoring formats. That's the definition of WR2 in 12 team leagues. If someone else in the WR2 range is more consistent and doesn't disappear, they're likely now in the WR1 range because of their scoring output. You can't expect the WR2 to get steady 15PPG every single week. I think people are sour over KB not doing much during the fantasy football playoffs last year which is still hurting his value.
Other notable players in this middle range WR2 list from last year:
Flitzgerald - Had 2 weeks with 20.1 points as his high for the season. probably the most consistent WR2 in this range but had 7 games with under 8 fantasy points.
Landry - had only 2 games over 15 fantasy points and his high was 19.6. had 2 games of 3 or fewer points.
Edelman - Didn't put up 10points in a game until week 11.
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
12 team league, .5PPR and he was the WR26 in my league, I'm not looking to get 15PPG every week from a WR2, but I'd prefer some consistencyIBall2 wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2017 10:40 amI realize he was more boom/bust than anticipated but for KBs 2 healthy seasons he was WR16 and WR19 in PPR scoring formats. That's the definition of WR2 in 12 team leagues. If someone else in the WR2 range is more consistent and doesn't disappear, they're likely now in the WR1 range because of their scoring output. You can't expect the WR2 to get steady 15PPG every single week. I think people are sour over KB not doing much during the fantasy football playoffs last year which is still hurting his value.
Other notable players in this middle range WR2 list from last year:
Flitzgerald - Had 2 weeks with 20.1 points as his high for the season. probably the most consistent WR2 in this range but had 7 games with under 8 fantasy points.
Landry - had only 2 games over 15 fantasy points and his high was 19.6. had 2 games of 3 or fewer points.
Edelman - Didn't put up 10points in a game until week 11.
Kelvin and Fitz had the same number of weeks under double digits last year (8) but Fitz had 1 game under 5 points on the season while Kelvin had 4, including one of them where he had 0 points and on the opposite end of the spectrum Kelvin had 3 games over 15 points to Fitz's 4, basically when Benjamin is low, he is LOW
Not to mention that 4 of Benjamin's 7 TDs last year were from 10 yards or closer, the kind of targets I'd expect to either go to McCaffrey or be rushes by McCaffrey/JStew (since they could use JStew as more of a GL guy since he won't be their only back this year)
I think it has less to do with people remembering what KBenj did in the playoffs and more to do with people just not remembering KBenj, he was borderline forgettable with both his production and play last year (except for that one game in week 1 where he did pretty well against the Broncos)
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
Kelvin 1300-12 this year
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I'm in the minority. I like him but don't trust Cam or Mike Shula
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
why do you think he's gonna have a career year?
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
Regarding KB and KBs catch rate. Benjamin would have a higher one if Newton could throw a ball within 10 feet of his targets. He sails them up there where Rivers delivers them on target.
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
Wasnt one of the reasons KB would do so well on the Panthers because he was a big guy with a large catch radius who wouldnt need a pinpoint QB to get the ball to him? Heard the exact same thing about Funchess before he was drafted too, they were supposedly the perfect receiver for Newton to haveThe.Big.Spank wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2017 2:45 pm Regarding KB and KBs catch rate. Benjamin would have a higher one if Newton could throw a ball within 10 feet of his targets. He sails them up there where Rivers delivers them on target.
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
3rd (healthy) year breakout + more respect for the run game to open things up. Team will be more competitive this year, which KB feeds off of, and he will.
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Re: Kelvin Benjamin
He has plenty of time to lose the weight and being at the facility they will start melting that weight down. He can be in playing shape by training camp. I'm more worried about injury with the weight and during the process of losing the weight. KB is still the red zone threat he has been and can be.
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