Josh Gordon Thread: Reinstatement (Deja Vu)
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Re: Josh Gordon
Dude is unstoppable. I have a feeling Josh Gordon will be the most hated FF player to me for many years to come. This obviously is because I don't own him anywhere
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Re: Josh Gordon
still 6th for me.georg013 wrote:Not sure about this anymore.cool_zapp wrote:I just wanted to see where everybody seems to rate Josh Gordon. I was reading an article earlier that said he could be the next Dez Bryant. I know that's a tall order but what are everybody's thoughts on him and why?
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Re: Josh Gordon
I'm ready to move him up to #2. He is breathing down Mega's neck. Crazy? Perhaps, but I'm not worried about suspensions. No one is doing it better. I'm not even a Browns fan.joeday wrote:still 6th for me.georg013 wrote:Not sure about this anymore.cool_zapp wrote:I just wanted to see where everybody seems to rate Josh Gordon. I was reading an article earlier that said he could be the next Dez Bryant. I know that's a tall order but what are everybody's thoughts on him and why?
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Re: Josh Gordon
for all the HUGE gordon fans out there, you best start praying...Georg is the kiss of death for Browns players! lolgeorg013 wrote:I'm ready to move him up to #2. He is breathing down Mega's neck. Crazy? Perhaps, but I'm not worried about suspensions. No one is doing it better. I'm not even a Browns fan.
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TE – Trey McBride
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TE – Trey McBride
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Re: Josh Gordon
I don't even know what to say anymore, its just unreal. I still wouldn't put him above AJG, Dez or Calvin, due to his risk. BUT, there is no other WR I'd want to own throughout the rest of this year, I'd want him over Calvin if i were vying for a championship this year. I think that it is hard to move him above the big 4 long term yet, as I think we need the offseason and a few games in 2014 to really make that call. I will say though, if he keeps clean in the offseason, it would be tough not to move him up on my draft board. I can really see him moving into spot #2 or #3 behind Calvin and/or AJG.
Re: Josh Gordon
He is on a tear. If he gets a quarterback and really does have his head on straight? I don't know man.
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Re: Josh Gordon
I wouldnt. Hopefully today's performance by Megatron isnt the reason you are saying that...lets not forget the tear calvin went on too lolwingnutty wrote:I don't even know what to say anymore, its just unreal. I still wouldn't put him above AJG, Dez or Calvin, due to his risk. BUT, there is no other WR I'd want to own throughout the rest of this year, I'd want him over Calvin if i were vying for a championship this year. I think that it is hard to move him above the big 4 long term yet, as I think we need the offseason and a few games in 2014 to really make that call. I will say though, if he keeps clean in the offseason, it would be tough not to move him up on my draft board. I can really see him moving into spot #2 or #3 behind Calvin and/or AJG.
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QB –
RB – Christian McCaffrey | Josh Jacobs
WR – AJ Brown | CeeDee Lamb
TE –
ROCKY MOUNTAIN MASTODONS (0 – 0)
2011 | 2013 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2020 –
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QB – Joe Burrow
RB – Tony Pollard | Kenneth Walker III | Rhamondre Stevenson
WR – Justin Jefferson | Stefon Diggs | DK Metcalf | Tee Higgins | Jameson Williams
TE – Trey McBride
Overall 2024 Regular Season Record: 0 – 0
1996 | 2005 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2017 –
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RB – Christian McCaffrey | Josh Jacobs
WR – AJ Brown | CeeDee Lamb
TE –
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2011 | 2013 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2020 –
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WR – Justin Jefferson | Stefon Diggs | DK Metcalf | Tee Higgins | Jameson Williams
TE – Trey McBride
Overall 2024 Regular Season Record: 0 – 0
Re: Josh Gordon
Idk JoeDay, don't know how much longer he stays out of that top 3.. Haha. Really, everything has been said that could be said. On both sides. Now we just sit back & see if he stays out of trouble. Not sure if I've seen someone dominate so soon in the league? There are a few that come to mind, but it is elite companyjoeday wrote:I wouldnt. Hopefully today's performance by Megatron isnt the reason you are saying that...lets not forget the tear calvin went on too lolwingnutty wrote:I don't even know what to say anymore, its just unreal. I still wouldn't put him above AJG, Dez or Calvin, due to his risk. BUT, there is no other WR I'd want to own throughout the rest of this year, I'd want him over Calvin if i were vying for a championship this year. I think that it is hard to move him above the big 4 long term yet, as I think we need the offseason and a few games in 2014 to really make that call. I will say though, if he keeps clean in the offseason, it would be tough not to move him up on my draft board. I can really see him moving into spot #2 or #3 behind Calvin and/or AJG.
Re: Josh Gordon
Not a bad thing. Some guys just need to see more before they believe. I'm convinced now.
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Re: Josh Gordon
Ya, just drafted for draft spot in a startup for next year. Took #5. Wouldn't mind ending up with Gordon at #5. Don't think I'm going to at this point
Re: Josh Gordon
joeday wrote:I wouldnt. Hopefully today's performance by Megatron isnt the reason you are saying that...lets not forget the tear calvin went on too lolwingnutty wrote:I don't even know what to say anymore, its just unreal. I still wouldn't put him above AJG, Dez or Calvin, due to his risk. BUT, there is no other WR I'd want to own throughout the rest of this year, I'd want him over Calvin if i were vying for a championship this year. I think that it is hard to move him above the big 4 long term yet, as I think we need the offseason and a few games in 2014 to really make that call. I will say though, if he keeps clean in the offseason, it would be tough not to move him up on my draft board. I can really see him moving into spot #2 or #3 behind Calvin and/or AJG.
I don't disagree with you, but, if he stays clean and continues to perform at this level, the debate would be hard-fought. Age is a big consideration that one has to take into account.
My basis has nothing to do with Calvin's performance today, I don't even know what his totals were. By basis has everything to do with play and age of Gordon, he is simply performing better than anyone else besides Calvin, is younger and he has the measurables to be the bonified #1 dynasty WR over the next decade. I believe if he makes it through this offseason, the suspension risk will be much reduced and Gordon's long term value will rise accordingly. However, I still deduct significant value from his dynasty value because of the off-field risk as do I believe most people.
Re: Josh Gordon
Believe me, Gordon has carried me in a few redrafts and a keeper league during his run...I am very pleased with him...but Calvin is Calvin. I can def see the argument to move him up to 3 though.wingnutty wrote:joeday wrote:I wouldnt. Hopefully today's performance by Megatron isnt the reason you are saying that...lets not forget the tear calvin went on too lolwingnutty wrote:I don't even know what to say anymore, its just unreal. I still wouldn't put him above AJG, Dez or Calvin, due to his risk. BUT, there is no other WR I'd want to own throughout the rest of this year, I'd want him over Calvin if i were vying for a championship this year. I think that it is hard to move him above the big 4 long term yet, as I think we need the offseason and a few games in 2014 to really make that call. I will say though, if he keeps clean in the offseason, it would be tough not to move him up on my draft board. I can really see him moving into spot #2 or #3 behind Calvin and/or AJG.
I don't disagree with you, but, if he stays clean and continues to perform at this level, the debate would be hard-fought. Age is a big consideration that one has to take into account.
My basis has nothing to do with Calvin's performance today, I don't even know what his totals were. By basis has everything to do with play and age of Gordon, he is simply performing better than anyone else besides Calvin, is younger and he has the measurables to be the bonified #1 dynasty WR over the next decade. I believe if he makes it through this offseason, the suspension risk will be much reduced and Gordon's long term value will rise accordingly. However, I still deduct significant value from his dynasty value because of the off-field risk as do I believe most people.
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1996 | 2005 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2017 –
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WR – AJ Brown | CeeDee Lamb
TE –
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2011 | 2013 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2020 –
2008 | 2012 | 2014 | 2019 –
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QB – Joe Burrow
RB – Tony Pollard | Kenneth Walker III | Rhamondre Stevenson
WR – Justin Jefferson | Stefon Diggs | DK Metcalf | Tee Higgins | Jameson Williams
TE – Trey McBride
Overall 2024 Regular Season Record: 0 – 0
1996 | 2005 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2017 –
1999 | 2000 | 2019 | 2020 –
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QB –
RB – Christian McCaffrey | Josh Jacobs
WR – AJ Brown | CeeDee Lamb
TE –
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QB – Joe Burrow
RB – Tony Pollard | Kenneth Walker III | Rhamondre Stevenson
WR – Justin Jefferson | Stefon Diggs | DK Metcalf | Tee Higgins | Jameson Williams
TE – Trey McBride
Overall 2024 Regular Season Record: 0 – 0
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Re: Josh Gordon
I think some are ranking him "low" due to risk, and some are ranking him low due to denial. I can't figure out which one I am yet, maybe I'm both
I tend to want to see more before I move players to the top of my rankings. I will say this though. If he stays out of trouble this offseason and in 2014 he plays at 80% of what he has in 2013, he will most likely be my #1 dynasty WR this time next year.
I tend to want to see more before I move players to the top of my rankings. I will say this though. If he stays out of trouble this offseason and in 2014 he plays at 80% of what he has in 2013, he will most likely be my #1 dynasty WR this time next year.
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Re: Josh Gordon
pretty stoked to get him half way through the year for k.wright and a 5th
Re: Josh Gordon
I've been a big Gordon fan and an owner. But I'm getting a little scared...and here is why.
That huge number of really long TDs is just not sustainable. Nobody gets 80yd TDs every week, for multiple seasons. WRs or RBs can get them for 1 season...but every season? Nope.
Like Chris Johnson's 2000yd season...full of 80yd TD runs. When the 80yd TD runs went from a big number to a more reasonable number, he went back to being a 1200yd RB, which he has been the rest of his career. Outlier season.
Still, Gordon has a ton of talent...can be an every season top flight WR...it just seems like if his only options are to be as good as Megatron or be a disappointment...I'm worried.
Not that I'm doing anything about it right now...
That huge number of really long TDs is just not sustainable. Nobody gets 80yd TDs every week, for multiple seasons. WRs or RBs can get them for 1 season...but every season? Nope.
Like Chris Johnson's 2000yd season...full of 80yd TD runs. When the 80yd TD runs went from a big number to a more reasonable number, he went back to being a 1200yd RB, which he has been the rest of his career. Outlier season.
Still, Gordon has a ton of talent...can be an every season top flight WR...it just seems like if his only options are to be as good as Megatron or be a disappointment...I'm worried.
Not that I'm doing anything about it right now...
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