Josh Gordon Thread: Reinstatement (Deja Vu)

[1standgoal]

Now that i've officially traded Gordon in both leagues that I owned him for a kings ransom, I can't wait until he has one small miss step and gets slammed with an indefinite suspension. Then maybe people will realize this guy should not have been valued as a top 3 dynasty WR.

I don't believe he's in Stage 3 yet, so it wouldn't be an indefinite suspension.

I think its 40/60 in his favor. He wants to play football, but old habits die hard.

[Jfever]

Now that i've officially traded Gordon in both leagues that I owned him for a kings ransom, I can't wait until he has one small miss step and gets slammed with an indefinite suspension. Then maybe people will realize this guy should not have been valued as a top 3 dynasty WR.

Curious what you got for him in the leagues you moved him?

Imo, even if some valued / value him as a top 3 it isn't too crazy. One could make an argument for any one of Gordon,AJG,Julio,Dez,and DT in any order after Calvin imo and it wouldn't be a stretch. And I'll add that I don't think a "small miss step" would get Gordon an "indefinite suspension" as he isn't in the NFL's stage 3.

[aaroneous]

And I'll add that I don't think a "small miss step" would get Gordon an "indefinite suspension" as he isn't in the NFL's stage 3.

I don't believe he's in Stage 3 yet, so it wouldn't be an indefinite suspension.

Glad some people have their facts straight

[49ersFaithful80]

Haha yea atleast some people jave there "facts straight".

Except the NFL does make this information public knowledge and whatever stage someone says he's in is pure speculation. So you don't have your facts straight, you have your opinion.

Point is, he's getting a serious suspension if he tests positive again.

[Dingram]

Haha yea atleast some people jave there "facts straight".

Except the NFL does make this information public knowledge and whatever stage someone says he's in is pure speculation. So you don't have your facts straight, you have your opinion.

Point is, he's getting a serious suspension if he tests positive again.

It wouldn't be a Gordon thread without ol Faithful chiming in with his negativity. Am curious as to what your "kings ransom" was you traded Gordon for. I'm actually thinking of selling myself

[KMA]

Crabtree straight up?

[aaroneous]

Crabtree straight up?

He probably at least got Lattimore too.

[49ersFaithful80]

Haha yea atleast some people jave there "facts straight".

Except the NFL does make this information public knowledge and whatever stage someone says he's in is pure speculation. So you don't have your facts straight, you have your opinion.

Point is, he's getting a serious suspension if he tests positive again.

It wouldn't be a Gordon thread without ol Faithful chiming in with his negativity. Am curious as to what your "kings ransom" was you traded Gordon for. I'm actually thinking of selling myself

I got Alshon Jeffery, DeAndre Hopkins, and the 1.10 in our upcoming rookie draft from one of the simpletons who don't understand how much risk Gordon carries.

[CrimsonKodiak]

I got Alshon Jeffery, DeAndre Hopkins, and the 1.10 in our upcoming rookie draft from one of the simpletons who don't understand how much risk Gordon carries.

I wouldn't exactly call that a kings ransom; I'm guessing the person on the other end of the trade is pretty happy with what he gave up;
Jeffery: Good solid stud, years ahead of him.
Hopkins: Potentially seeing a new rookie QB next year, can he live up to the hype?
1.10: A lottery ticket that you hope pans out

[Jfever]

Alshon, Hopkins, and the 1.10 is a nice trade for Gordon but not a kings ransom. Actually think it is a fairly even move with all things considered. Plus, I'm a big Alshon fan. The 1.10 is a lottery ticket at best and I think Hopkins has a ceiling that puts him in the mid to high wr2 category of fantasy wr's. I think it could be a good deal for both teams involved depending on rosters. 49ersfaithful, you said you sold him in two leagues. What was the other one.

No one called anyone a simpleton I don't think. There is just a little less risk associated with Gordon than what I think you are thinking is all. Maybe your either not up with the current info in that Gordon is not or ever was in the 3rd stage of the NFL's policy, or maybe your not familiar with the policy itself. Either way, the point is - a small or minor hiccup for Gordon would not get him an indefinite suspension. More likely, a small mis step would get him a 2-4 game suspension - then his next screw up would get him the indefinite suspension you mentioned earlier.

[CrimsonKodiak]

Alshon, Hopkins, and the 1.10 is a nice trade for Gordon but not a kings ransom. Actually think it is a fairly even move with all things considered. Plus, I'm a big Alshon fan. The 1.10 is a lottery ticket at best and I think Hopkins has a ceiling that puts him in the mid to high wr2 category of fantasy wr's. I think it could be a good deal for both teams involved depending on rosters. 49ersfaithful, you said you sold him in two leagues. What was the other one.

No one called anyone a simpleton I don't think. There is just a little less risk associated with Gordon than what I think you are thinking is all. Maybe your either not up with the current info in that Gordon is not or ever was in the 3rd stage of the NFL's policy, or maybe your not familiar with the policy itself. Either way, the point is - a small or minor hiccup for Gordon would not get him an indefinite suspension. More likely, a small mis step would get him a 2-4 game suspension - then his next screw up would get him the indefinite suspension you mentioned earlier.

The beauty of Gordon right now is that his value is closely tied to his policy violation risk (Vs talent, age, injury). Because there is a wide variety of how much risk a person places on Gordon multiplied by the spectrum of risk a person is willing to accept; this could equate to a fair number of Gordon trades that I'm interested in seeing what they go for.

[49ersFaithful80]

Alshon, Hopkins, and the 1.10 is a nice trade for Gordon but not a kings ransom. Actually think it is a fairly even move with all things considered. Plus, I'm a big Alshon fan. The 1.10 is a lottery ticket at best and I think Hopkins has a ceiling that puts him in the mid to high wr2 category of fantasy wr's. I think it could be a good deal for both teams involved depending on rosters. 49ersfaithful, you said you sold him in two leagues. What was the other one.

No one called anyone a simpleton I don't think. There is just a little less risk associated with Gordon than what I think you are thinking is all. Maybe your either not up with the current info in that Gordon is not or ever was in the 3rd stage of the NFL's policy, or maybe your not familiar with the policy itself. Either way, the point is - a small or minor hiccup for Gordon would not get him an indefinite suspension. More likely, a small mis step would get him a 2-4 game suspension - then his next screw up would get him the indefinite suspension you mentioned earlier.

I got Julio Jones, Quinton Patton (lol), and the 2.02 for Gordon.

I would swap Gordon straight up for Julio so I loved this deal.

The thing with the substance abuse program is that no one actually knows what stage of the program he's in because the NFL doesn't release that information.

Personally I would be shocked and literally willing to wager my life that he would get more than a 2 game suspension if he tested positive again. The suspension always gets longer, I would be very surprised if he got anything less than 6 games in this scenario. I also would not be surprised in the least if he got a full-season suspension or an indefinite one like Blackmon.

[BuckeyeNation]

Alshon, Hopkins, and the 1.10 is a nice trade for Gordon but not a kings ransom. Actually think it is a fairly even move with all things considered. Plus, I'm a big Alshon fan. The 1.10 is a lottery ticket at best and I think Hopkins has a ceiling that puts him in the mid to high wr2 category of fantasy wr's. I think it could be a good deal for both teams involved depending on rosters. 49ersfaithful, you said you sold him in two leagues. What was the other one.

No one called anyone a simpleton I don't think. There is just a little less risk associated with Gordon than what I think you are thinking is all. Maybe your either not up with the current info in that Gordon is not or ever was in the 3rd stage of the NFL's policy, or maybe your not familiar with the policy itself. Either way, the point is - a small or minor hiccup for Gordon would not get him an indefinite suspension. More likely, a small mis step would get him a 2-4 game suspension - then his next screw up would get him the indefinite suspension you mentioned earlier.

I got Julio Jones, Quinton Patton (lol), and the 2.02 for Gordon.

I would swap Gordon straight up for Julio so I loved this deal.

The thing with the substance abuse program is that no one actually knows what stage of the program he's in because the NFL doesn't release that information.

Personally I would be shocked and literally willing to wager my life that he would get more than a 2 game suspension if he tested positive again. The suspension always gets longer, I would be very surprised if he got anything less than 6 games in this scenario. I also would not be surprised in the least if he got a full-season suspension or an indefinite one like Blackmon.

I will agree with this much. I'm not 100% sure, but I remember reading some articles last summer stating that Gordon's suspension technically should have been 4 games instead of 2. Due to the controversy over what he was suspended for, they cut him a bit of a break. The articles talked about the "medication" that Gordon was suspended for is not a banned substance in the NFL, but he never gave the NFL proper notification and a doctor's certification for using the substance. Part of the argument from the Gordon camp was that he was taking the substance as medication, not as a recreational drug. Since there was so much of a grey area, they suspended him for only 2 games, but he still lost pay for 4 games.

If he were to be suspended again, I'd predict a 6-8 game suspension. I will say that as time goes on, I become less concerned with him being suspended again. He appears to have some very good influences around him, and having an incredible 2013 may have gone a long way to getting his head on straight. I don't know Gordon personally though, and I doubt anyone on this forum does either, so we can only speculate.

The risk is still there obviously, and that's why I'd take Calvin/AJG/DT over Gordon in a heartbeat. When it comes to Gordon vs Dez/Julio, I'd probably side with Dez or Julio over Gordon, but it's much closer due to the risks I believe Dez and Julio carry as well. Julio's risk is obviously his foot, and Dez is a less consistent than I'd hoped he would be, plus he seems to always be nicked up and he has lingering back issues. If I owned one of Dez/Julio/Gordon, I wouldn't trade any of them straight up for another one of them. I'd need something added to move any of the 3 for another one of the 3. That's how close they are for me.

[kmbryant09]

I don't mean to jynx things, but does anyone else agree that it's meaningful that he just went through the whole season (well, dating back to last off-season) without getting a single bad blip of news against him? I mean, no partying late at night. No running with the wrong crowd. No missing practice. Not even being late to practices, or mouthing off during games.

I mean, it took Blackmon, what, 3 games back from his suspension before he got himself in trouble again? Let's stop comparing the 2 like they are the exact same person.

To take it a step further, Gordon seemed like the consummate teammate. He didn't boast about a 1st down catch in the 4th quarter down 20. He helped teammates up when they took a hit. He congratulated everybody when SOMEONE ELSE made a play. He downplayed his record setting performances because his team didn't get the W. He's attending Fitzgerald's camp. He was in New York for the SB instead of disappearing during the off-season.

I know these are all little things. But while we're in the business of speculating every little potential mis-step, I figured these instances are worth mentioning when we discuss the character content of Josh Gordon.

[BuckeyeNation]

I don't mean to jynx things, but does anyone else agree that it's meaningful that he just went through the whole season (well, dating back to last off-season) without getting a single bad blip of news against him? I mean, no partying late at night. No running with the wrong crowd. No missing practice. Not even being late to practices, or mouthing off during games.

I mean, it took Blackmon, what, 3 games back from his suspension before he got himself in trouble again? Let's stop comparing the 2 like they are the exact same person.

To take it a step further, Gordon seemed like the consummate teammate. He didn't boast about a 1st down catch in the 4th quarter down 20. He helped teammates up when they took a hit. He congratulated everybody when SOMEONE ELSE made a play. He downplayed his record setting performances because his team didn't get the W. He's attending Fitzgerald's camp. He was in New York for the SB instead of disappearing during the off-season.

I know these are all little things. But while we're in the business of speculating every little potential mis-step, I figured these instances are worth mentioning when we discuss the character content of Josh Gordon.

I don't know about anybody else, but the things you mentioned here are the reasons why I'm becoming less concerned with Gordon's off the field issues.