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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby Chris_R » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:27 am

TpainSD wrote:Rotoworld is reporting the lions are asking around for a WR
Ehh, this is why we need to be careful what we wish for. I know Detroit throws a ton but I would honestly prefer him on a situation like Cleveland. Behind in every game, as 1 of the primary targets. He had 19 targets last week, so sure he has insane upside and tools but 19 targets has a lot to do with that and you can't expect anybody opposite Calvin gets anywhere near that many. I kinda want him to stay put the more I think about teams trading for him where it wouldn't work out as well. As a Cameron and Gordon owner, I'd like for both of these guys to stay together, if it aint broke...
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby DJB » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:28 am

Don't want him to go to Det. He and Calvin will eat into each others points and being an owner of both, not happy with that.
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby KMA » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:57 am

DJB wrote:Don't want him to go to Det. He and Calvin will eat into each others points and being an owner of both, not happy with that.
He would eat into Calvin's points the same way Burleson did. I believe he had 6 receptions for over 100 yards.
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby kmbryant09 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:58 am

Chris_R wrote:
TpainSD wrote:Rotoworld is reporting the lions are asking around for a WR
Ehh, this is why we need to be careful what we wish for. I know Detroit throws a ton but I would honestly prefer him on a situation like Cleveland. Behind in every game, as 1 of the primary targets. He had 19 targets last week, so sure he has insane upside and tools but 19 targets has a lot to do with that and you can't expect anybody opposite Calvin gets anywhere near that many. I kinda want him to stay put the more I think about teams trading for him where it wouldn't work out as well. As a Cameron and Gordon owner, I'd like for both of these guys to stay together, if it aint broke...
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby dm1129 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:57 am

Take a look at Calvin Johnson's first few seasons in the league or Fitzgerald recently. No matter how good a WR may be, it is extremely difficult to overcome poor QB play when defenses can focus on stopping a WR. To assume the Browns will get their franchise QB in the next draft is extremely risky. QB is a very difficult position to project from college to the NFL. Simply look at all the first round QB busts. I also think it is very unlikely the Browns will be able to get Bridgewater. I say get Gordon out of Cleveland to a team with a proven QB as soon as possible.

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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby balaberda » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:10 pm

If you can get top 10 WR value for trading him then why not do it.

If this QB situation doesn't clear up he will be held back. Good point DM1129.

Nothing wrong with trading a guy for great value. Then accepting it if he excels further or is held back. You got great value either way. Shopping Gordon now might be very smart.

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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby teambadknees » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:23 pm

The guy is super talented and young. This offense is perfect for him and even with poor QB play he should put up solid (not elite) numbers. If he is traded you would hope he finds the situation that keeps him as the number 1 targeted WR as well as a vertical offense with competent QB. There are a few teams that fit some of these criteria but I wouldn't say there is a standout.

DET - clear number 2 to Calvin
SF - decent option but in a run first offense
NYJ - Fits system would be number1 but Geno unproven (although long ball did look good last week)
CAR - run first offense although more talented than Smith, will have to build report with Cam
PIT - a better version of Mike Wallace (although not as fast much more of a well rounded WR). PIT could use help but question if he'd fit Hailey's system
GB - could be perfect situation if Jordy wasn't there
NO - see GB but replace with Colston

All in all, he's still only what - 22? If he stays clean, and finds the right situation come free agency, could pay off then.
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby pntgvn2399 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:55 pm

Ugh, not Detroit! In basically every league I have him in I have Calvin along with him, that would suck. Would remind me of a Roddy and Julio type situation, I wouldn't want to be starting both. How about another trade with Indy? Reggie isn't getting any younger.
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby balaberda » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:59 pm

Stafford throws it enough to feed a ton of receivers. Look at Peyton last night.

When Ryan had good games Julio Roddy and Tony G all had nice stat lines. I think we need to be a little bit careful with Gordon. He will be the game plan from now on.

Yes he is in a good offense etc and sees targets but he is the gameplan now. Guys can shut down AJG and Marshall so what is gonna happen when people start game planning for Gordon. If you think he scores over 100 and a TD a game still then go and trade Megatron for him.

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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby holy_stromboli » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:32 pm

As a Stafford owner, Megatron + Gordon = heaven.

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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby Chris_R » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:37 pm

balaberda wrote: I think we need to be a little bit careful with Gordon. He will be the game plan from now on.

Yes he is in a good offense etc and sees targets but he is the gameplan now. Guys can shut down AJG and Marshall so what is gonna happen when people start game planning for Gordon. If you think he scores over 100 and a TD a game still then go and trade Megatron for him.

Just outta curiousity, who do you think they were game planning for in the passing game last year? People have been doing this already. I heard the same things with Dez, people said "lets see how he does this year when defenses game plan against him" when they have been doing that since his 2nd season. It's not like Gordon is a guy that is just popular among the fantasy community, anytime you play a team with a big time weapon it's addressed early into the week, and the less play-makers a team has the more attention the ones they do have are going to get. I just can't imagine anyone going to play the Browns from the end of last year being surprised as who Gordon was.


I'm not saying he's some mortal lock for 1600 yards and 16 TD's, but I highly doubt Josh Gordon is catching anyone off guard., he has been the gameplan. Cameron wasn't doing anything last year and neither was Little. Gordon is good enough to beat double coverages week in and out, all you have to do is watch him play to recognize that. He wouldn't have to post another 100 yard game for me to know that.
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby KMA » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:21 pm

Chris_R wrote:
balaberda wrote: I think we need to be a little bit careful with Gordon. He will be the game plan from now on.

Yes he is in a good offense etc and sees targets but he is the gameplan now. Guys can shut down AJG and Marshall so what is gonna happen when people start game planning for Gordon. If you think he scores over 100 and a TD a game still then go and trade Megatron for him.

Just outta curiousity, who do you think they were game planning for in the passing game last year? People have been doing this already. I heard the same things with Dez, people said "lets see how he does this year when defenses game plan against him" when they have been doing that since his 2nd season. It's not like Gordon is a guy that is just popular among the fantasy community, anytime you play a team with a big time weapon it's addressed early into the week, and the less play-makers a team has the more attention the ones they do have are going to get. I just can't imagine anyone going to play the Browns from the end of last year being surprised as who Gordon was.


I'm not saying he's some mortal lock for 1600 yards and 16 TD's, but I highly doubt Josh Gordon is catching anyone off guard., he has been the gameplan. Cameron wasn't doing anything last year and neither was Little. Gordon is good enough to beat double coverages week in and out, all you have to do is watch him play to recognize that. He wouldn't have to post another 100 yard game for me to know that.
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby dm1129 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:35 pm

Chris_R wrote:
balaberda wrote: I think we need to be a little bit careful with Gordon. He will be the game plan from now on.

Yes he is in a good offense etc and sees targets but he is the gameplan now. Guys can shut down AJG and Marshall so what is gonna happen when people start game planning for Gordon. If you think he scores over 100 and a TD a game still then go and trade Megatron for him.

Just outta curiousity, who do you think they were game planning for in the passing game last year? People have been doing this already. I heard the same things with Dez, people said "lets see how he does this year when defenses game plan against him" when they have been doing that since his 2nd season. It's not like Gordon is a guy that is just popular among the fantasy community, anytime you play a team with a big time weapon it's addressed early into the week, and the less play-makers a team has the more attention the ones they do have are going to get. I just can't imagine anyone going to play the Browns from the end of last year being surprised as who Gordon was.


I'm not saying he's some mortal lock for 1600 yards and 16 TD's, but I highly doubt Josh Gordon is catching anyone off guard., he has been the gameplan. Cameron wasn't doing anything last year and neither was Little. Gordon is good enough to beat double coverages week in and out, all you have to do is watch him play to recognize that. He wouldn't have to post another 100 yard game for me to know that.
Let me start by saying I'm a huge supporter of Gordon, I think he has the potential to be elite. In regard to game planning against Gordon going forward, yes there is a concern. Last year the Browns had Richardson in the backfield, this at the very least made defenses respect the run. Now defenses will make Gordon THE focus of their defensive gameplan combined with very questionable play from the QB position. Ask Fitzgerald how that combination works. No matter how good a WR is, defenses will usually be able to shut them down if the QB position is weak and the offense is one dimensional.

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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby cool_zapp » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:48 pm

dm1129 wrote: Let me start by saying I'm a huge supporter of Gordon, I think he has the potential to be elite. In regard to game planning against Gordon going forward, yes there is a concern. Last year the Browns had Richardson in the backfield, this at the very least made defenses respect the run. Now defenses will make Gordon THE focus of their defensive gameplan combined with very questionable play from the QB position. Ask Fitzgerald how that combination works. No matter how good a WR is, defenses will usually be able to shut them down if the QB position is weak and the offense is one dimensional.
I don't think it's fair to compare Gordon's offense to that of AZ last year. It was a combination of things that led Fitz to not be successful the biggest one in my opinion is having to create new chemistry with a different QB for what seemed like every week last year. Gordon I believe has the skills to produce even when defenses focus on him and I think that will be the case regardless of where he's playing.
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Re: Anybody else hoping Josh Gordon DOESN'T get traded?

Postby KMA » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:50 pm

Did they just take a wait and see approach last Sunday? How about the games TRich missed last season WITHOUT Cameron? I don't know. I just don't think there should be a huge learning curve at this level. They had two playmakers to stop last week in Cameron and Gordon and they couldn't. TRich was in Indy and the starting QB wasn't even playing. That's got to say something right? I've noticed how SLOW people are to come around on ANY Browns players in this forum. There are still people who aren't sold on Cameron and need 5 more weeks of elite play. I think it's time we give the system and players in it SOME credit. It is possible to lose games but still put up BIG fantasy numbers. How much more do they need to do to convince folks otherwise? Obviously I'm not talking about you DM1129 because you are a supporter, but there is a general reluctance to promote these guys up the tier ladder when guys who have put up lessor numbers (Wilson and Miller come to mind) are granted all access passes to the top suite. What gives? Is it the position? Are we quicker to promote running backs than TE/WR?
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