Josh Gordon Thread: Reinstatement (Deja Vu)

[maxhyde]

This is where Josh Gordon fans post a gif of Carlton from Fresh Prince of Bel Air dancing.

I went with a fat guy trying a cartwheel because that is accurate for me

[ArrylT]

This is where Josh Gordon fans post a gif of Carlton from Fresh Prince of Bel Air dancing.

I went with a fat guy trying a cartwheel because that is accurate for me

It is important to play within ones limits.

[Orenthal Shames]

Josh Gordon announced he’s returning to the team. Officially off hiatus.

I really hope he stays straight and everything works out for him. I would love to see a good ending to this story.

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I truly hate this thread, seems like people don’t know the struggle of addiction. I just want him to survive and make it the league because if he does we will see one of the bst talents we have ever seen.

I haven't seen anyone rooting against the guy as a human being. You can be pulling for him and still not want anything to do with him at his current price in fantasy. The latter doesn't make you unsympathetic towards addiction whatsoever.

[TheRookiePro]

I really hope he stays straight and everything works out for him. I would love to see a good ending to this story.

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I truly hate this thread, seems like people don’t know the struggle of addiction. I just want him to survive and make it the league because if he does we will see one of the bst talents we have ever seen.

I haven't seen anyone rooting against the guy as a human being. You can be pulling for him and still not want anything to do with him at his current price in fantasy. The latter doesn't make you unsympathetic towards addiction whatsoever.

I don't think his comments concerned sympathy. He's likely taking umbrage with the fact that so many are unknowledgeable on drug/alcohol addiction.

There are millions of people who have no knowledge concerning addiction. And dozens of them have made comments on this thread. Most of them are of the mind that Josh only had a problem with weed and just needs to grow up and have 28 days in rehab and everything will be ok. Pot is his drug of choice. If he's not in contact with a sponsor and continually showing up to NA meetings each week, he will relapse.

Everyone should watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVWIELHQQY
Craig Ferguson--comedian and former late night tv host--gives an entertaining and sincere explanation about his problems with alcoholism.

[ericanadian]

This situation is just weird. Sounds like he didn't report because he knew he wouldn't pass a drug test and instead delayed and entered a substance abuse program.

If it was related to passing a drug test, he would've been screwed either way because the drug testing comes regardless of whether or not he reports to camp. More likely, he needed to complete something related to some part of his rehab and hadn't yet.

[AussieMate]

This situation is just weird. Sounds like he didn't report because he knew he wouldn't pass a drug test and instead delayed and entered a substance abuse program.

If it was related to passing a drug test, he would've been screwed either way because the drug testing comes regardless of whether or not he reports to camp. More likely, he needed to complete something related to some part of his rehab and hadn't yet.

I was thinking along these lines, in the nrl when a player is allowed back in the league after certain issues (jail or caught with peds) they tend to have certain hurdles to go through. One such player hopoate was in the lower league for 2 yrs and we couldn't work out why he wasn't being reinstated to first grade, turns out he had some comunity service stipulated by the nrl that he hadn't completed etc.
I just can't imagine after all this the NFL would let a failed or missed test "slide", it would be way out of character of the NFL. If they would do that why not let his diluted test go the other yr.

[ArrylT]

This situation is just weird. Sounds like he didn't report because he knew he wouldn't pass a drug test and instead delayed and entered a substance abuse program.

If it was related to passing a drug test, he would've been screwed either way because the drug testing comes regardless of whether or not he reports to camp. More likely, he needed to complete something related to some part of his rehab and hadn't yet.

I was thinking along these lines, in the nrl when a player is allowed back in the league after certain issues (jail or caught with peds) they tend to have certain hurdles to go through. One such player hopoate was in the lower league for 2 yrs and we couldn't work out why he wasn't being reinstated to first grade, turns out he had some comunity service stipulated by the nrl that he hadn't completed etc.
I just can't imagine after all this the NFL would let a failed or missed test "slide", it would be way out of character of the NFL. If they would do that why not let his diluted test go the other yr.

Off-topic but I've been reading a bit about the MCG - have you ever been?

[AussieMate]

Off-topic but I've been reading a bit about the MCG - have you ever been?
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Yes once, not a big cricket fan but it's a good day out to have some drinks etc, (I'm assuming a similar atmosphere to baseball). Worth a trip if you ever make your way to aus, although be warned, Australia is in a bad spot with cricket atm.

[Mike from Canada]

Well, I traded Gordon for a 1st round pick next year. Likely mid to early. Undersell?

[Life of Pablo]

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I truly hate this thread, seems like people don’t know the struggle of addiction. I just want him to survive and make it the league because if he does we will see one of the bst talents we have ever seen.

I haven't seen anyone rooting against the guy as a human being. You can be pulling for him and still not want anything to do with him at his current price in fantasy. The latter doesn't make you unsympathetic towards addiction whatsoever.

I don't think his comments concerned sympathy. He's likely taking umbrage with the fact that so many are unknowledgeable on drug/alcohol addiction.

There are millions of people who have no knowledge concerning addiction. And dozens of them have made comments on this thread. Most of them are of the mind that Josh only had a problem with weed and just needs to grow up and have 28 days in rehab and everything will be ok. Pot is his drug of choice. If he's not in contact with a sponsor and continually showing up to NA meetings each week, he will relapse.

Everyone should watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVWIELHQQY
Craig Ferguson--comedian and former late night tv host--gives an entertaining and sincere explanation about his problems with alcoholism.

Hey thanks for sharing your thoughts as well as the video, I hadn't seen that before. It was very helpful. Many people (including myself) lack perspective on these kinds of things, mainly because they're fortunate enough that they haven't had to see someone really close to them struggle with addiction like this. And that's not anyone's fault, you can't expect people to always be fully aware of every social issue. But it's important for all of us to keep an open mind about these things, and be engaged to listen and learn from someone's story so we can have a better understanding in the future.

It's similar to anyone who's ever seen their friend being super depressed all the time, and telling them "hey man you don't need to be depressed, just be happy there's so many things in life to be happy about, let's go do something that makes us happy!". It's just not as easy or simple as we like to think it is. I was personally guilty of responding to my friend's depression like this, and it wasn't until I had a mild episode of my own a few years later that I really started to understand what they had been going through. Fortunately, as more athletes and other high-profile people have been speaking up recently about their own battles with depression, we as a society are becoming better at understanding and handling an issue that is still taboo to an extent.

Anyway, I don't blame anyone for making assumptions on Gordon's last few years, it's been an odd story to the point that I don't even know what to believe anymore lol. But it's ignorant to pretend that we know the full story or know what's best for him. He seems to have a lot of respect and support from his peers, which is a positive sign that he does indeed have a problem that he's addressing and fixing, and isn't just being "stupid" or "irresponsible" like so many people can be quick to assume.

[ArrylT]

Off-topic but I've been reading a bit about the MCG - have you ever been?

Yes once, not a big cricket fan but it's a good day out to have some drinks etc, (I'm assuming a similar atmosphere to baseball). Worth a trip if you ever make your way to aus, although be warned, Australia is in a bad spot with cricket atm.
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Thanks appreciate it!

[ArrylT]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... lable-wk-1

Hue hopeful Gordon can be back for Week I.

[kris_kapsner]

Well, I traded Gordon for a 1st round pick next year. Likely mid to early. Undersell?

I think this value is fine for Josh. If you are targeting the WR position alone, it’s unlikely that a player of Gotdon’s Talent will be there for you to pick. However, you’ll have a talented younger player who likely will not have the red flags that JG does either. So the trade is certainly fair.

If you’re a competing team in your league I’d personally rather have Gordon because he has the physical talent and upside to be a top 5 WR. He’s risky though. Of that there is no doubt.

I personally traded FOR JG in both my leagues. In one I gave up 1.7 and got JG + a late 2nd. In the other league I traded the 1.2 + Crabtree for 1.5 + Gordon.

[ArrylT]

I think both of those trades are safe moves, I especially like the 1.02 deal, as I feel it can be a win for both sides.

[Shcritters]

Well, I traded Gordon for a 1st round pick next year. Likely mid to early. Undersell?

I think this value is fine for Josh. If you are targeting the WR position alone, it’s unlikely that a player of Gotdon’s Talent will be there for you to pick. However, you’ll have a talented younger player who likely will not have the red flags that JG does either. So the trade is certainly fair.

If you’re a competing team in your league I’d personally rather have Gordon because he has the physical talent and upside to be a top 5 WR. He’s risky though. Of that there is no doubt.

I personally traded FOR JG in both my leagues. In one I gave up 1.7 and got JG + a late 2nd. In the other league I traded the 1.2 + Crabtree for 1.5 + Gordon.

I second the 1.02 deal... that was a great trade. You didn’t move that far back and got a high upside guy for an aging vet. Well done.