Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
2017 was a deeper overall class by most analysts standards. More RBs were taken in early rounds this year because they were worthy of the picks. If Dixon or Booker were day 2 talents in an RB weak class they would have been picked on day two instead of compensatory round 4 picks.
I don't understand why anyone would try to argue the 2016 RB draft class was close to 2017. There's no argument to stand on here. Additionally if I can get a day 2 back in this draft with a high chance to start and play 3 downs he has to be worth more than an underperforming sophomore with less draft pedigree and a 4 game ban. He's just not worth a first as he was a late first last year in a bad offensive class, hasn't improved his stock, and we're comparing to a clearly superior class.
An early second round valuation is fair here. I can't justify anything more and he's probably closer to a mid-second within my more subjective personal rankings.
I don't understand why anyone would try to argue the 2016 RB draft class was close to 2017. There's no argument to stand on here. Additionally if I can get a day 2 back in this draft with a high chance to start and play 3 downs he has to be worth more than an underperforming sophomore with less draft pedigree and a 4 game ban. He's just not worth a first as he was a late first last year in a bad offensive class, hasn't improved his stock, and we're comparing to a clearly superior class.
An early second round valuation is fair here. I can't justify anything more and he's probably closer to a mid-second within my more subjective personal rankings.
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
How exactly did he fail to beat out West?dlf_jules wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 11:29 amHow about the hit rate of second-year RBs who were drafted in the fourth round of the NFL draft and then mustered 45 scrimmage yards per game, failing to beat out a guy who was traded for a conditional seventh round pick and then cut the prior season?JFever wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 11:19 am There are votes in this poll that equate K.Dixon to the 2.09-2.12 and the 3rd round or later. These votes to me seem to indicate an incredible lack of understanding of hit / miss rates with draft picks. I find it alarming and completely lacking of the basics needed in this hobby.
Silly to say the least.
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
I don't understand the obsession with a 4 game suspension? Who cares. Players get suspended all the time today. Danny Woodhead is 32 years old coming off a torn ACL. Terrance West has been on 3 different rosters already. If Dixon does have talent, he can easily surpass these 2.
His head coach loves him. Obviously the franchise believes in his talent. Full speed ahead baby.
His head coach loves him. Obviously the franchise believes in his talent. Full speed ahead baby.
Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
Jules, Your response says absolutely nothing about the details that lead to the results. Like..... wtf? Says nothing of O-line level of play, says NOTHING about injury, rookie acclimation period, playing while dinged up, depth chart, etc. hmmmm - Not something I'm used to u posting Jules. Convenient to include the over simplified, dumbed down version of broad painted thinking - to come to a general conclusion about a situation that....well.... isn't near simple enough to explain away like your response attempted to. I'd bet (and I'll let you look this up as I'm in my busy time of year coaching in the spring) - The "HIT" rate of 2nd year running backs drafted in the 4th round of the previous year that were still high within their position, and still successful NCAA resume', - compared to the "hit rate" of 3rd round running backs drafted toward the middle of their position with similar level of play and resume' in their NCAA play - is quite similar.
Disappointing way to explain this off to say the least. Its as if we are able to ignore everything relevant and contributing bit of the story - except for the parts that fit our own personal paradigm. We like to include them and ignore most....
Disappointing way to explain this off to say the least. Its as if we are able to ignore everything relevant and contributing bit of the story - except for the parts that fit our own personal paradigm. We like to include them and ignore most....
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
We at least agree on this point.
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
Well, I readily admit that the kid could fail. I'm personally not heavily invested at all. I own him on 1 of 6 teams. And, on that team, he isn't even needed. I don't really have a horse in the race aside from the horse that I care deeply about and that is logic and reason. I readily admit that he could be bagging groceries by October. I also understand that he has limitations and that he did not impress through much of his rookie year. But.... to decide and to rationalize an opinion based off of part of a story at this point is, well, shallow.
To hold fast to the opinion that @ 1 calendar year plus a few days - into an NFL career - a top or relatively highly drafted player (in his position of play) drafted player is now worth a 3rd round rookie selection - for comparable value - is - flat out irresponsible thinking. And... that thinking and the posting of that thinking simply needs to get called out for what it is. BS.
Hey for the sake of conversation, I'll state it as clear as I can. At this time of the year it should be mentioned as rookie fever is clearly running rampant again. Hey..... The odds at hitting on any 3rd round rookie selection in a competitive 12 team, 14, team, or 16 team dynasty draft is incredibly low. And, So there is no confusion here; I'd assume quite safe to say, lower than the odds of K.Dixon becoming fantasy relevant while competing against West and the 32 year old D.Woodhead.
To hold fast to the opinion that @ 1 calendar year plus a few days - into an NFL career - a top or relatively highly drafted player (in his position of play) drafted player is now worth a 3rd round rookie selection - for comparable value - is - flat out irresponsible thinking. And... that thinking and the posting of that thinking simply needs to get called out for what it is. BS.
Hey for the sake of conversation, I'll state it as clear as I can. At this time of the year it should be mentioned as rookie fever is clearly running rampant again. Hey..... The odds at hitting on any 3rd round rookie selection in a competitive 12 team, 14, team, or 16 team dynasty draft is incredibly low. And, So there is no confusion here; I'd assume quite safe to say, lower than the odds of K.Dixon becoming fantasy relevant while competing against West and the 32 year old D.Woodhead.
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
Is there any evidence that positional draft rank matters more than overall draft position?
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
FTFY
They were picked with the very same pick (134). Take your pick, but spare me the hyperbole. Trust your eyes, by all means, but if you don't think the 17' class is miles better than the 16' version, pardon me if I don't.
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
Can you source this? If true, it's certainly something that would cause me to take a better look at him. But I'm not sure I buy it. PFF has stated that Ajayi lead the league in forced missed tackles per touch. They also don't grade Dixon very highly, which would be surprising if he's breaking tackles so frequently. Lastly, the only thing a Google search pulls up is the claim on message boards; not an actually article.
Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
I say 1.09 is the most I would give...i like himlukkynumber13 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2017 2:28 pm How do we view Kenneth Dixon right now? Still has the suspension looming, and Woodhead may sap some PPR value, but I have to think he won overall with Baltimore ignoring RBs through the draft & UDFAs, right??
Worth a stab around the 1.10-1.12?
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
https://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/ ... 6588155906Concept Coop wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 3:53 pmCan you source this? If true, it's certainly something that would cause me to take a better look at him. But I'm not sure I buy it. PFF has stated that Ajayi lead the league in forced missed tackles per touch. They also don't grade Dixon very highly, which would be surprising if he's breaking tackles so frequently. Lastly, the only thing a Google search pulls up is the claim on message boards; not an actually article.
I got my numbers mixed up but shouldn't change much.
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RB: C. McCaffrey, A. Kamara, E. Elliott, J. Dobbin, J. Mixon, A. Mattison, J. White, L. Bell
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
Thanks for tracking that down. Really odd for PFF. I'll have to dig up some footage and give him another look in the next little bit.Madadamus wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 5:01 pmhttps://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/ ... 6588155906Concept Coop wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 3:53 pmCan you source this? If true, it's certainly something that would cause me to take a better look at him. But I'm not sure I buy it. PFF has stated that Ajayi lead the league in forced missed tackles per touch. They also don't grade Dixon very highly, which would be surprising if he's breaking tackles so frequently. Lastly, the only thing a Google search pulls up is the claim on message boards; not an actually article.
I got my numbers mixed up but shouldn't change much.
Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
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Re: Kenneth Dixon Value *PVP POLL* 5/1/17
Concept Coop wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 5:10 pmThanks for tracking that down. Really odd for PFF. I'll have to dig up some footage and give him another look in the next little bit.Madadamus wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 5:01 pmhttps://twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/ ... 6588155906Concept Coop wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2017 3:53 pm
Can you source this? If true, it's certainly something that would cause me to take a better look at him. But I'm not sure I buy it. PFF has stated that Ajayi lead the league in forced missed tackles per touch. They also don't grade Dixon very highly, which would be surprising if he's breaking tackles so frequently. Lastly, the only thing a Google search pulls up is the claim on message boards; not an actually article.
I got my numbers mixed up but shouldn't change much.
Not odd for PFF at all. Missed tackles is just one piece of grading, it is not the be all end all. It can be a nice piece. Missed tackles doesn't mean he was a good RB. It's a stat that we give when grading.
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