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Re: Davante Adams

Postby saw061600 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:39 pm

WR are usually a 2-3 year project; more so now with so many schools running a non-NFL style offense. I bought him up everywhere I could this year and happy with what he's done. That said, I think it is important to remember he's going against the slot cover guy more often than not and rarely (if ever) has seen double coverage. I'm cautiously optimistic he can handle WR2 or WR1 duties but it's far from a certainty. Best to view him as a WR2 for valuation and if buying but, if I could get someone to pay his current WR1 ranking, I'd be selling for sure.
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Re: Davante Adams

Postby Plank » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:51 pm

He's only lined up in the slot 22%, he is mainly outside on the left @ 50%
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Re: Davante Adams

Postby J. Edgar » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:53 pm

I'm a Packers fan and try to see every game, I think he's finally becoming a pro and his work ethic is finally paying off. For the right price I'd be a buyer in all my dyno leagues, I recently bought him for Terrence West and a 2018 1st.

I needed one more WR1/2 to contend against a couple other teams in the league for the team below.I know it's a slight gamble with Cobb and Jordy but that's what makes things interesting. ;)
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Re: Davante Adams

Postby saw061600 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:56 pm

Plank wrote:He's only lined up in the slot 22%, he is mainly outside on the left @ 50%
Thanks for the correction; perception can be skewed. He seemed to be in the slot more than that.
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Re: Davante Adams

Postby ericanadian » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:23 pm

No idea how his rookie season is now being viewed as a "bad season". It was a rookie season that resulted in solid production for a third receiver. His bad season was largely because he screwed up his ankle and then couldn't get his head right. Throughout that bad season, he was still seeing a lot of snaps and targets, so there really wasn't a point where he seemed to lose the confidence of Rodgers or the coaching staff. It certainly couldn't continue for much longer, but he continued to get opportunity and finally capitalized on it.
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Postby captain howdy » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:54 pm

I traded adams, treadwell, and coates (throwing) for Hopkins several weeks ago. Adams has outscored hopkins before and after the trade.

It's not sellers remorse, but adams has looked good this year. Big game potential

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Re: Davante Adams?

Postby HawkeyeState » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:37 pm

Cough bump cough. He's trash though right?
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Re: Davante Adams?

Postby _yeti » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:49 pm

HawkeyeState wrote:Cough bump cough. He's trash though right?
He certainly was last year with ample opportunity to prove otherwise. If his career had ended after 2015 no one would have said he could have been great if he had more time to develop. He's proved me wrong this year, but I'm not perfect. I only know what I see and few people get as much opportunity with a guy like Aaron Rodgers, play like trash for an entire year and still turn it around. Kudos to him
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Re: Davante Adams

Postby thebeast » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:09 pm

ericanadian wrote:No idea how his rookie season is now being viewed as a "bad season". It was a rookie season that resulted in solid production for a third receiver. His bad season was largely because he screwed up his ankle and then couldn't get his head right. Throughout that bad season, he was still seeing a lot of snaps and targets, so there really wasn't a point where he seemed to lose the confidence of Rodgers or the coaching staff. It certainly couldn't continue for much longer, but he continued to get opportunity and finally capitalized on it.
Maybe stat wise he had an ok rookie season, but the dude had stone hands and should have had a MUCH better rookie season. He now seems to be catching everything and looks like a different player.

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Re: Davante Adams?

Postby Oddball456 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:25 pm

_yeti wrote:
HawkeyeState wrote:Cough bump cough. He's trash though right?
He certainly was last year with ample opportunity to prove otherwise. If his career had ended after 2015 no one would have said he could have been great if he had more time to develop. He's proved me wrong this year, but I'm not perfect. I only know what I see and few people get as much opportunity with a guy like Aaron Rodgers, play like trash for an entire year and still turn it around. Kudos to him
I was very low on him last year also, he looks like a different player this year. I was wrong on him as well.

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Re: Davante Adams?

Postby Jfever » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:58 pm

Did people forget about his multiple nagging lower body injuries he tried to play through last year? He's always had the talent. Just needed time to acclimate, and get opportunity while healthy.
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Re: Davante Adams

Postby Jfever » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:11 pm

We seem to be quite impatient these days. Too many have been spoiled by early successes of a few wr. I see it as likely that he is the not to distant future #1 target of the GB passing game. Nice to see him doing what I thought he could do. His rookie year we should have had more realistic expectations if we look at it as a disappointing campaign for him. His second year he was unexpectedly thrown into a different role, drew better coverage corners when he wasn't ready mentally, then was injured and played (poorly) through said ankle issues. This year, the stars aligned and we now are starting to see the NFL player he can be. Patience in dynasty is truly a virtue. Many are quick to label players and value too highly or too low. Wr inparticular requires a tad more patience imo. As a vikings fan, it's tough for me, but I'm happy (as a dynasty owner) to see him maturing on the field.
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Re: Davante Adams?

Postby _yeti » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:12 pm

JFever wrote:Did people forget about his multiple nagging lower body injuries he tried to play through last year? He's always had the talent. Just needed time to acclimate, and get opportunity while healthy.
Everyone who makes it to the NFL is an elite athlete. We try to balance every factor and I am sure there are plenty that could have been more if it weren't for nagging injuries. Sometimes it's an injury and sometimes the guy doesn't have the stuff. I will acknowledge the games are only 1% of the work put in, but there is really no excuse for dropping everything. Last year is a lost year for him and he has bounced back great but it's unusual for a player to play so bad and then turn it around. Specifically what I mean is drops. Delayed breakouts are different from what he had last year IMO. Also it's rare for a WR in this situation to have such a great QB and still fail and then look like an entirely different player the next year, usually the QB is more mediocre, so doing so bad with Rodgers last year was more of a knock against Adams for me.
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Re: Davante Adams?

Postby Jfever » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:36 am

_yeti wrote:
JFever wrote:Did people forget about his multiple nagging lower body injuries he tried to play through last year? He's always had the talent. Just needed time to acclimate, and get opportunity while healthy.
Everyone who makes it to the NFL is an elite athlete. We try to balance every factor and I am sure there are plenty that could have been more if it weren't for nagging injuries. Sometimes it's an injury and sometimes the guy doesn't have the stuff. I will acknowledge the games are only 1% of the work put in, but there is really no excuse for dropping everything. Last year is a lost year for him and he has bounced back great but it's unusual for a player to play so bad and then turn it around. Specifically what I mean is drops. Delayed breakouts are different from what he had last year IMO. Also it's rare for a WR in this situation to have such a great QB and still fail and then look like an entirely different player the next year, usually the QB is more mediocre, so doing so bad with Rodgers last year was more of a knock against Adams for me.

I hear ya. Rogers wasn't himself either last year though. Anyway, as far as Adams, I guess if his ankle was as bad I heard it was, it makes sense if you look at the big picture. I think it was a combination of all these factors that sinergistically add to each other and magnify the issue. If X player wasn't 100 mentally acclimated to the NFL, wasn't near 100% healthy (not practice, not games), tried to play through an injury that likely was a huge distraction for the young kid, and had more pressure put on me based off of Jordy's injury, Drops may be a bit more of an issue.

Certainly not enough to give up on the kid this early in the game however.
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Re: Davante Adams

Postby Ryantacular » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:16 am

3rd year WR's are still a thing. Not everyone is OBJ


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