Melvin Gordon value

[gogobradyarm]

With Charles signing his value keeps going up. Who's still a FA that could really take away value?

Blount is the only guy I can think of off the top of my head, would be a lot of GL competition but other than that I don't think he'd detract too much from MG3 between the 20s

I can't see it happening, MG was great in the redzone last year. Blount really fell off towards the back half of last season, he is just getting old and he presents almost no value in the passing game. Maybe they trade for someone if needed, but Oliver is a decent pass catcher and Gordon proved to be good as well in pass catching ability (averaged over 10 yards per reception).

Gordon is a top 5 RB this season, I just don't see how it doesn't happen on volume alone in that offense. His YPCarry probably goes up based on the oline improvement alone, not to mention the WR's that are going to be taking defenders out of the box.

If I had Gordon and was offered 1.01 for him, and I was contending, I don't think I would take 1.01. Gordon has one of the best situations right now in fantasy football and enough talent to capitalize.

[StableOfRBs]

I completely agree, don't think Blount signs there at all, was just saying he's the only FA left who could possibly take away from Gordon's value

[forrestmoons]

Gordon's value definitely jumped up. I was never a huge fan of him but he's going to continue to score TD's and get pretty much anything that comes out of that backfield so he's top 5 for next season and top 10 moving forward.

[rubber_duck]

Reviving this because the thread was so entertaining the first time around.

I don't put much stock in the YPC for a running back unless that stat is included with a great deal of context. For example, how are the other RBs on the team doing in comparison, and what is the in-game usage for them? It has been shown that Gordon battled absolutely atrocious game planning. His in-game usage was also very similar to what Ingram gets in New Orleans.

That all changed for Gordon after San Diego suffered multiple injuries early in the 2016 season. Branden Oliver was lost in the preseason. Keenan Allen went down in week 1. Danny Woodhead was lost in week 2. From that point on the coaching staff had to figure out a new offensive game plan to suite the remaining talent.

If we look at Gordon's stats for 2016 from week 4 through week 13 (we was effectively lost for the season after week 13), he has the following stat line:

Rushing: 178 - 762 - 4 TDs (4.28 YPC)
Receive: 28 - 315 - 2 TDs

The opponents over that span were: @Oak, Den, @Atl, @Den, Ten, Mia, @Hou, TBB

For a team with a decimated OL and receiving corps, those aren't bad stats. The inept coaching staff is now gone and the team appears to be in total support behind Gordon.

[StableOfRBs]

Reviving this because the thread was so entertaining the first time around.

I don't put much stock in the YPC for a running back unless that stat is included with a great deal of context. For example, how are the other RBs on the team doing in comparison, and what is the in-game usage for them? It has been shown that Gordon battled absolutely atrocious game planning. His in-game usage was also very similar to what Ingram gets in New Orleans.

That all changed for Gordon after San Diego suffered multiple injuries early in the 2016 season. Branden Oliver was lost in the preseason. Keenan Allen went down in week 1. Danny Woodhead was lost in week 2. From that point on the coaching staff had to figure out a new offensive game plan to suite the remaining talent.

If we look at Gordon's stats for 2016 from week 4 through week 13 (we was effectively lost for the season after week 13), he has the following stat line:

Rushing: 178 - 762 - 4 TDs (4.28 YPC)
Receive: 28 - 315 - 2 TDs

The opponents over that span were: @Oak, Den, @Atl, @Den, Ten, Mia, @Hou, TBB

For a team with a decimated OL and receiving corps, those aren't bad stats. The inept coaching staff is now gone and the team appears to be in total support behind Gordon.

Offseason moves definitely support it, getting a former RB coach as the new HC and getting some great OL help in the draft along with not even bothering to add anyone to that backfield

[rubber_duck]

Need to post a correction for the stats given above. Those stats were for Weeks 5 through 13, not week 4.

Sorry for the fat finger earlier.

[Unicorn92]

Well i think the bad team is not necessary an excuse look gurley last year after a great rookie year

That said dj destroyed everything last year with an oline who was ranked one of the worst in the league

[AussieMate]

Just had a quick look and Arizona was ranked better than San Diego for the season, your point is still somewhat valid as they were ranked 26th compared to chargers 31. so a very poor ranking compared to say Steelers who ranked around 3-5. Very impressed with David Johnson but also I don't believe anyone here is trying to say Gordon is better than Johnson.

[DJB]

Im all over Gordon this year. Improved oline, no more stacked boxes with Allen and Williams on the outside. 3rd year breakout coming up!!!

[alphaxray]

I picked up 2 shares this offseason. His stock seems to have gone bananas the past few weeks, so it will be hard for me to add more.

[CSteelersWin7]

I had trouble moving Gordon myself. I just traded Gordon and Ertz for Allen Robinson and 3.8(Carlos Henderson). What do you guys think? It's 12 team ppr.

I already have McCoy & Lynch plus I drafted mixon and Mack. For tight end I still have Delanie Walker and drafted OJ and Njoku.

[Chris_R]

I traded him for Crowell and a 2018 1st I expect to be mid round. I personally don't like holding guys very long when I don't believe in their talent. And I certainly don't see a huge gap between him and Crowell. Both will get a ton of touches.

Gordon had 250 rushes, missed 1000 rushing yards and had his value increased with 10 rushing TDs. Crowell had nearly 50 less carries which is about 3 games worth and was only 30 or so rushing yards behind with 7 rushing TDs. Gordon of course has value, but now is the time to cash out on it IMO. Bump this thread in January and I bet his value comes down significantly from where it is now.

[Goddard]

I actually think he's still underrated, because there are plenty of people (like the ones on here) who look at the ypc and decide he's not good without actually watching him play. I think the average NFL RB would have a difficult time even getting close to Gordon's ypc behind that line. And why is it so hard to imagine that he'll continue to improve from a year ago? He's going into his 3rd year at age 24, the line has improved, the offense has improved, and he's still going to get the majority of the workload. So if he were to even match, and not exceed his numbers from a year ago, how is he not viewed as a top dynasty asset?

[Sterling Archer]

I traded him for Crowell and a 2018 1st I expect to be mid round. I personally don't like holding guys very long when I don't believe in their talent. And I certainly don't see a huge gap between him and Crowell. Both will get a ton of touches.

Gordon had 250 rushes, missed 1000 rushing yards and had his value increased with 10 rushing TDs. Crowell had nearly 50 less carries which is about 3 games worth and was only 30 or so rushing yards behind with 7 rushing TDs. Gordon of course has value, but now is the time to cash out on it IMO. Bump this thread in January and I bet his value comes down significantly from where it is now.

That was a good trade. They're about the same age (3 mos). Crowell's OL just got massively better. Crowell hasn't missed a game in 3 seasons. Gordon has finished both seasons on the IR.

And what you said about value is very true. I've said it somewhere, maybe another thread, but Gordon is currently viewed as RB5 or RB6... there's almost no chance he improves upon that. Right now is definitely peak value.

[Goddard]

I traded him for Crowell and a 2018 1st I expect to be mid round. I personally don't like holding guys very long when I don't believe in their talent. And I certainly don't see a huge gap between him and Crowell. Both will get a ton of touches.

Gordon had 250 rushes, missed 1000 rushing yards and had his value increased with 10 rushing TDs. Crowell had nearly 50 less carries which is about 3 games worth and was only 30 or so rushing yards behind with 7 rushing TDs. Gordon of course has value, but now is the time to cash out on it IMO. Bump this thread in January and I bet his value comes down significantly from where it is now.

That was a good trade. They're about the same age (3 mos). Crowell's OL just got massively better. Crowell hasn't missed a game in 3 seasons. Gordon has finished both seasons on the IR.

And what you said about value is very true. I've said it somewhere, maybe another thread, but Gordon is currently viewed as RB5 or RB6... there's almost no chance he improves upon that. Right now is definitely peak value.

Why does he have to improve it? Why can't he just maintain that?