Figuring Out Eli Manning's Worth

[skip]

Yeah cause two rings gets you no love.... but his last name definitley won him those

This is about his fantasy value, not his NFL value which is a debate in itself. Aikman won multiple Superbowls but he was nothing more than a fantasy backup.

No, I completely understand what your saying skip. My comment was directed at the person saying Eli basically wouldn't be thought of as a Great/Elite QB if his last name wasn't Manning.

Well, to be fair I am not sure there are many people who think he is "great" outside of New York. He certainly isn't elite. While he has two rings, the success of the Giants during those years was tied heavily to a strong defense and running game. Eli played well during both post seasons but he's had plenty of down moments in his career. Despite the two rings, I wouldn't vote him into the Hall of Fame. I think he's a good QB, just not someone deserving of that kind of mantle because outside of those two Superbowls there hasn't been anything (to date) that has made him stand out during his career. At no time has he ever been regarded as on the same tier as the top passers in the game today.

[andypro7]

The full, entire list of QBs who have at least 4400 yards passing and 30 TDs each of the last two seasons:

Drew Brees
Eli Manning

Brees, Peyton, and Rodgers are elite QBs who have spent most of their careers in offenses that have allowed them to exhibit their elite-ness.

Until the last two years, Eli never had that. Now that he does, he's performed at an elite or near-elite level. And the 9 games he played in 2004 was the last year he didn't play all 16 games.

[BuckeyeNation]

The full, entire list of QBs who have at least 4400 yards passing and 30 TDs each of the last two seasons:

Drew Brees
Eli Manning

Brees, Peyton, and Rodgers are elite QBs who have spent most of their careers in offenses that have allowed them to exhibit their elite-ness.

Until the last two years, Eli never had that. Now that he does, he's performed at an elite or near-elite level. And the 9 games he played in 2004 was the last year he didn't play all 16 games.

.. and there are two reasons for the fantasy success that Eli has had the past two seasons that's alluded him for most of his career. Their names are Odell Beckham Jr. and Ben McAdoo.

Fortunately for Eli, OBJ is obviously alive and well and McAdoo is now running the show in New York, so I see no reason why Eli can't replicate those numbers again this year. Top 3 still seems like a bit of a reach for me and he'll probably have a couple of those "vintage Eli" games where he throws five picks, but he should be a solid top 6-8 fantasy QB again this year and will continue to come at a cheap price.

[Walter W.]

Eli Manning has broken into the top 5 QBs only once. He will be hard pressed to make the top 10 which has been his upside his entire career.

If he was Eli Smith instead of Eli MANNING, dude would get nowhere near the love he does.

Yeah cause two rings gets you no love.... but his last name definitley won him those

His defense and Assante Samuel won him one of them, Wes Welker won him the other. He two dropped passes from being 0-2 in the Super Bowl. As I said, dude is very fortunate.

[sct]

I gave him and Olsen for luck and Jordan Cameron.

[voiceofunreason]

Yeah cause two rings gets you no love.... but his last name definitley won him those

This is about his fantasy value, not his NFL value which is a debate in itself. Aikman won multiple Superbowls but he was nothing more than a fantasy backup.

No, I completely understand what your saying skip. My comment was directed at the person saying Eli basically wouldn't be thought of as a Great/Elite QB if his last name wasn't Manning.

He isn't remotely close to great. He's the reason they rarely make the playoffs. Let me know how many times Brady, Rodgers and Peyton missed the playoffs.

[Oddball456]

As for fantasy, I have Eli as my main QB (also have Tannihill and Bradford) in a 10 team start 1 QB and am not worried about it at all. Getting an "elite" QB just isn't worth the cost for an extra 2-3 points a week.

[Walter W.]

He isn't remotely close to great. He's the reason they rarely make the playoffs. Let me know how many times Brady, Rodgers and Peyton missed the playoffs.

There you go. Some guys are driving the train, some guys are passengers. Is he Trent Dilfer? No, but I think both Super Bowls that the Giants won would have been won with any competent QB, especially the first one. The Giants defense won that Super Bowl, Eli basically pulled one play out of his a*s. It's not like the Giants lit it up, they scored 17 points. That was the only time all season that 17 points would have beaten the Patriots, and that's because the Giants D held them to only 14 points.

I don't think he's a terrible QB, but I don't think he's a great QB. He led the NFL in picks three times. He's a slightly better than average QB who has been fortunate enough to be on teams good enough to squeak into the playoffs and get hot at the right time. And good for him, he's got those two rings and a lot of guys don't get them. But I still believe that if he wasn't part of the media's favorite family he wouldn't get the love that he does. Your mileage may vary.

[Friction]

He is very frustrating to start in fantasy, even the last two years. The league I have him in, I will start him in juicy divisional home games and they will somehow end up 20-17 games. Then I bench him on the road against Carolina and he throws for 400 yards and five tds. In the second half (exaggerating a bit, but I think it was close to that actually). He was one big name I was always surprised of that was borderline droppable in many redraft leagues for so many years.

[homer]

Bold Prediction: Eli will be top 3 QB this year...

Only kinda bold. Eli has the second easiest strength of schedule this year. I feel fairly confident he'll be in the top half of the QB1s this year.

Strength of schedule is almost worthless. A little stock, maybe, but not much. It doesn't factor in what has happened that will effect the future. IE: Josh Norman is now a Redskin.

EDIT: But don't get me wrong. I think Eli will be a top five as long as OBJ/Shepherd and even Cruz are good to go.

Norman will find out what it is like without a good pass rush.

[ArrylT]

So I know this is an old thread - but I could not find an Eli Manning specific thread and there has been a lot of talk about whether or not Manning could support a WR1, RB1 and a TE1 without being an elite QB fantasy wise.

Well at the moment in typical PPR

Barkley - RB 6 - 45.6 points - 365 point pace
would be RB 2 overall based on 2016 & 2017 with current pace
must acknowledge 16-102 receiving

Engram - TE 10 - 23.5 points - 188 point pace
Would be TE4-6 overall based on 2016 & 2017 with current pace

Beckham - WR 25 (no TDs so far) - 31.1 points - 249 point pace
Would be WR8-10 based on 2016 & 2017 with current pace
Reminder Beckham has not gotten a TD yet and has never had a full season below 10

Manning - QB 27 - 28.75 points - 230 point pace
Would be QB25-27 based on 2016 & 2017 with current pace

Is this going to continue?

Is Barkley basically the RB version of 2017 Landry (high volume, low yardage) but also gets Rushing yards?

Are Beckham and Engram going to be TD dependant to remain top 6 at each position?

Or will Manning improve - or the guys he feeds regress?

Your thoughts?

[slaughterrt]

This really really screwed me up until I saw the date.

[dynastyninja]

This really really screwed me up until I saw the date.

Same here

[Servo]

Even in a 2QB or Superflex league, I'm not offering anything more than a late 3rd or 4th for Manning.

Sincerely doubt any owner would accept that but regardless of whether or not it's the chicken or the egg aka Eli's fault or predominantly his OL's fault...he's pretty awful. Missed Odell on some major throws against Jacksonville that would have opened the game and just checked down consistently to Barkely...and Dallas' defense is mediocre as of today.

[MrUbuto]

I'm picking lualetta where ever I can. He is the protypical game manager with speed and size.

Guy threw for 10,000 yards in college and by all accounts is a QB savant. Only this he doesn't excel at is the deep ball but that isnt really how the giants live and die.

If the giants are 0-5 look for tanner to come in then lualetta the rest of the way