SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

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Where do you rank Thomas Rawls?

RB 1-10
59
24%
RB 10-20
134
53%
RB 20-30
46
18%
RB 30+
12
5%
 
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Ra

Postby Litesout13 » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:30 am

Phaded wrote:Rawls has six career games where he had 15 carries or more.

He has flashed in an incredibly small sample size - but to say that he has shown the ability to be a workhorse is clearly biased and short sighted.

There is a long list of RBs who have flashed in a six game sample size as well.

250-1100-9 + is quite the optimistic projection for Rawls. Good luck with that.

Then again, maybe 75% of us are "absurd".
The TDs may be a bit optimistic there. But McFadden generated over 1,000 yards. I think Rawls, in a better offense at the moment, could do that. Maybe more like 6...

I think people look at Lynch's double digit TD years and think Rawls can do well in the offense. Maybe not hit the same marks as Lynch, but can still find the endzone. Wilson could open up a lot for him
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Ra

Postby maxhyde » Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:10 am

I would just love to see the RB ranking list after Rawls if he is a top 10 guy. Probably some really good 'old' guy value in there
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby thebeast » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:47 pm

Wow, he had an RB9 ranking just a year ago. Things sure do change quickly.

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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby _yeti » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:34 pm

1.5 years later, Rawls has settled in at RB34 on DLF rankings. Not to make a big thing out of it but :whistle:
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:24 pm

But, like I said, still better than Cmike! Lol
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby ninotoreS » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:09 pm

A scenario in which Lacy faceplants due to weight or whatever, Prosise continues to struggle with his health and/or development as a proper RB, and Rawls once again emerges from '17 as Seattle's starting RB is absolutely just as plausible as the other scenarios in which Lacy or Prosise end up as 'The Guy' going forward.

So basically, Rawls' rank right now doesn't reflect anything except all the uncertainty in Seattle. Same goes for Lacy and Prosise, of course. The Seattle fantasy RB situation in '17 is a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby _yeti » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:15 am

ninotoreS wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:09 pm A scenario in which Lacy faceplants due to weight or whatever, Prosise continues to struggle with his health and/or development as a proper RB, and Rawls once again emerges from '17 as Seattle's starting RB is absolutely just as plausible as the other scenarios in which Lacy or Prosise end up as 'The Guy' going forward.

So basically, Rawls' rank right now doesn't reflect anything except all the uncertainty in Seattle. Same goes for Lacy and Prosise, of course. The Seattle fantasy RB situation in '17 is a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
I don't disagree. The Seattle RB situation is as wide open right now as it's ever been. As a DE in college they wanted me eating a minimum of 4500 calories a day to gain weight and I still wasn't gaining because of how much we worked. Lacy is a RUNNING back and still manages to be overweight, how many calories does that take? To me, that shows an epic lack of commitment to the sport. Lacy has the talent to take the role but Rawls wants it more. My point throughout this thread has been more though that Rawls is a guy who wants it as much as anyone, but ultimately his skills are committee back or backup.
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby ArrylT » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:26 am

Lacys been meeting the weight goals so far ... I think this will be the make or break of Lacys career - if $385 k isnt enough motivation then nothing ever will be ... we all know how tough it is for an average person to keep motivated I'm curious to hear yeti's take on motivation as a former college player ...
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby Balzac » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:35 am

ninotoreS wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:09 pm A scenario in which Lacy faceplants due to weight or whatever, Prosise continues to struggle with his health and/or development as a proper RB, and Rawls once again emerges from '17 as Seattle's starting RB is absolutely just as plausible as the other scenarios in which Lacy or Prosise end up as 'The Guy' going forward.

So basically, Rawls' rank right now doesn't reflect anything except all the uncertainty in Seattle. Same goes for Lacy and Prosise, of course. The Seattle fantasy RB situation in '17 is a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
Naw, I'm calling it now. Lacy is the pounder, Prosise is the 3rd down back, and Rawls spells Lacy.

This is easily Lacy's backfield without injury shaking it up.
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby _yeti » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:19 am

ArrylT wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:26 am Lacys been meeting the weight goals so far ... I think this will be the make or break of Lacys career - if $385 k isnt enough motivation then nothing ever will be ... we all know how tough it is for an average person to keep motivated I'm curious to hear yeti's take on motivation as a former college player ...
I think motivation/work ethic is easy to look at like at 0 to 100 scale, like a Madden scale. A guy may be 90 speed, 85 agility, etc. Work ethic is like a scale that you have control over. No one who is willing to play even high school football is a 0. College football is a beast of a commitment, so I would still put the worst motivated guys at like a 40. Some people have all the drive in the world and not the physical tools. At some point in athletics, our physical tools mark the end of the line. Some people that is middle school, others at varsity sports, others at D3, D2, D1, pros, a couple years in, or for the good ones, as we like to mark, age 30+, etc. You know all that.

My take? Most guys who make it to the pros have extremely above average skills around with the right size and then middle of the road work ethic (for a professional, like a 70 out of 100). I think someone like Rawls fights to squeeze every bit of juice out of what he has (90+ work ethic). While Lacy on the other hand, has shown he can be a 3 down back, grasp a playbook, block adequately, etc., but he can't control his off the field urge to overeat/control his diet. I think he doesn't condition hard enough and that his discipline/motivation is dog s*** (60ish on this make believe scale haha). He can probably eat AT LEAST 3000 calories a day and still not gain weight as a professional RB and he has extreme financial motivation, along with the fame, and everything else it brings, and he still messes it up. It could be his backfield to lose if he wanted it enough.

I'll echo what was just said prior, I see a rotating committee that evolves as the year goes on with Lacy in front, Rawls to spell, and Prosise with passing down work. I don't see anyone taking it outright and being a 3 down back there this year.
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby ArrylT » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:20 am

Thanks for that take - much appreciated.

I think a lot will have to do with the age old debate about whether a leopard can change their spots. Can an NFL player who has had some fault / high risk behaviour - be it weight / off field actions / marijuana find the motivation to do what it takes to get over their "demon".

I believe that some people just need the right incentive - be it a near death experience - financial or something else - to change their pattern of behaviour.

My guess is that over the last year Lacy may have gotten that incentive. The fact that he called the weight bonuses a positive challenge

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1952 ... benchmarks

suggests that he likely knows what he needs to do, and also realizes its something he struggles with. Whether or not he succeeds or not is yet to be determined, but I think that you can change your behaviour and improve upon your motiviation in the right setting. Whether or not this will be the case for Lacy - I do feel more confident than I did at the end of last season.
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby ImaRounder » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:46 am

when I think of lacy, I think of the rb version of lorenzen.

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Postby _yeti » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:44 pm

ArrylT wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:20 am Thanks for that take - much appreciated.

I think a lot will have to do with the age old debate about whether a leopard can change their spots. Can an NFL player who has had some fault / high risk behaviour - be it weight / off field actions / marijuana find the motivation to do what it takes to get over their "demon".

I believe that some people just need the right incentive - be it a near death experience - financial or something else - to change their pattern of behaviour.

My guess is that over the last year Lacy may have gotten that incentive. The fact that he called the weight bonuses a positive challenge

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1952 ... benchmarks

suggests that he likely knows what he needs to do, and also realizes its something he struggles with. Whether or not he succeeds or not is yet to be determined, but I think that you can change your behaviour and improve upon your motiviation in the right setting. Whether or not this will be the case for Lacy - I do feel more confident than I did at the end of last season.
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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby thebeast » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:46 pm

_yeti wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:19 am
ArrylT wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:26 am Lacys been meeting the weight goals so far ... I think this will be the make or break of Lacys career - if $385 k isnt enough motivation then nothing ever will be ... we all know how tough it is for an average person to keep motivated I'm curious to hear yeti's take on motivation as a former college player ...
I think motivation/work ethic is easy to look at like at 0 to 100 scale, like a Madden scale. A guy may be 90 speed, 85 agility, etc. Work ethic is like a scale that you have control over. No one who is willing to play even high school football is a 0. College football is a beast of a commitment, so I would still put the worst motivated guys at like a 40. Some people have all the drive in the world and not the physical tools. At some point in athletics, our physical tools mark the end of the line. Some people that is middle school, others at varsity sports, others at D3, D2, D1, pros, a couple years in, or for the good ones, as we like to mark, age 30+, etc. You know all that.

My take? Most guys who make it to the pros have extremely above average skills around with the right size and then middle of the road work ethic (for a professional, like a 70 out of 100). I think someone like Rawls fights to squeeze every bit of juice out of what he has (90+ work ethic). While Lacy on the other hand, has shown he can be a 3 down back, grasp a playbook, block adequately, etc., but he can't control his off the field urge to overeat/control his diet. I think he doesn't condition hard enough and that his discipline/motivation is dog s*** (60ish on this make believe scale haha). He can probably eat AT LEAST 3000 calories a day and still not gain weight as a professional RB and he has extreme financial motivation, along with the fame, and everything else it brings, and he still messes it up. It could be his backfield to lose if he wanted it enough.

I'll echo what was just said prior, I see a rotating committee that evolves as the year goes on with Lacy in front, Rawls to spell, and Prosise with passing down work. I don't see anyone taking it outright and being a 3 down back there this year.
I would guess the problem is less about what he is eating and more about drinking.

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Re: SEA Not Committing to Rawls? Deserving of Dynasty RB9 Rank?

Postby maxhyde » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:56 pm

Just got my first Rawls share ever...still not a believer but what the heck, eh?
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