LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

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LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby DallasN1213 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:53 am

This trade just happened in a league. This league was mostly created through the help wanted forum on this site (i.e. we don't know each other and have never met).

It is a 16 team, super flex, devy league. It is not a full devy league. We can draft a college player one year before they qualify for NFL draft eligibility. QSRWWWTFFF

This is our first year. One of the owners is semi active and contending (team B). The other owner is not very active (team A), typically lets trades expire, and is not competing. He posted a note on the message board a few days ago stating he was looking to rebuild. Then this happened:

Team A gave:
Smith, Alex KCC QB
Anderson, C.J. DEN RB
Foster, Arian HOU RB
Martin, Doug TBB RB
Murray, DeMarco PHI RB
LaFell, Brandon NEP WR
Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR
Toon, Nick FA WR
White, Kevin CHI WR

Team B gave:
Bortles, Blake JAC QB
Allen, Javorius BAL RB
* Higgins, Rashard FA WR
Coates, Sammie PIT WR
Greene, Rashad JAC WR
Nelson, J.J. ARI WR
Strong, Jaelen HOU WR
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from Raging Rhino
Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick from Raging Rhino
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick from Raging Rhino
Year 2016 Round 4 Draft Pick from Raging Rhino

Keep in mind the draft pool is somewhat diluted. These devy players have already been drafted and are no longer in the pool:

QB: Cardale, Goff, Cook, Hackenberg, Kessler, Kiel Gunner, Duk Prescott, Jeremy Johnson,
WR: Corey Davis, Tajae Sharpe, Mike Williams, Dhaquille Williams, Treadwell, Dural, North, Villiman, Pharaoh Cooper, De'Runya Wilson, Rashard Higgins, Tyler Boyd
RB: Corey Clement, Kenjan Drake, Elliot Ezekial, James Connor, Derrick Henry
TE: OJ Howard, Bucky Hodges

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby Westy22 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:00 am

Geez...the inclusion of Kevin White is a pretty clear sign it is a broke deal. This seems veto worthy in my book.

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby snitchinsider » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:13 am

Honestly, this looks really, really lopsided, especially giving up Kevin White. People have to be allowed to make mistakes but this is a really massive one it seems like. The thing is, the uncertainty of picks and the fact that so many of the players he has in return are so young, I still really don't think it's fair to try and keep this trade from happening. It's so easy to think a trade is lopsided in fantasy, and then two years later someone like Sammie Coates and Jaelen Strong blow up, he murders his draft with the picks he got, and Bortles turns into a young stud QB in a superflex. Heck, if Bortles turns into something legit at QB he's going to be worth most of that trade on his own, that's how important QBs are in Superflex.

It's asking for a lot to go his way, so it definitely appears lopsided right now, no question. But people have to be allowed to make their own evaluations. If an owner is so ungodly bad with trades that people feel they aren't competent enough to be in the league, then the owner should be removed from the league and his trade reversed, but only if the owner is removed from the league. None of that "we'll stop this trade because it's not competent but we'll keep the owner that we think is incompetent."

More than anything, this trade is a failure by the rebuilding owner to properly capitalize on the value of the players he has. He could have sold off each player individually for much, much more. But if a guy really likes the players he's getting, he really likes those players. He's also getting hidden value in moving so many point-producing players by enhancing his original draft picks. I've done such things before on a much more limited scale to get out of points (Lamar Miller straight-up for Mettenberger, because I like him a lot and really wanted out of Miller's points... of course I didn't expect Miller to do as well as he ended up doing).
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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby joekool » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:30 am

who the h3ll trades 9 players in a single trade?

Normally, I dont think trades are veto-worthy..someone can easily value a stud rb as less valuable than a pick or whatever.
But this looks really bad. Why not just trade managers/teams?!

Ugh.

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby Phaded » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:54 am

Yeah this is pretty brutal..

Do you suspect collusion?

3 years ago; I had a trade in my league that was 6 for 6 and one set of 6 was blatantly better than the others. After investigating, turns out it was collusion as the guy had been running both teams and pretending to have an alias.
Far too lazy to keep updating my teams on this.. was outdated..

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby FiremanEd » Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:19 am

There is no logic behind this. Even if collusion doesn't exist, it is a person who has no interest in continuing his team and is just being a douche.

Veto and player boot.

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby Coogan Football » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:29 am

Lemme guess............free league?
12 team 6pts all TDs/.5ppr/balanced IDP, scoring est. 2008
Start QB,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
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RB: Elliott, Gurley, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, Hunt, J.Williams, Kamara
WR: Julio, TY, Hopkins, Thomas (NO), Watkins, Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Kupp, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Howard, Fleener, Engram, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, Bucannon, R.Foster, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, S Anthony, ShaqT, Correa, BJ Goodson, Pullard,
DB: H.Smith, Vaccaro, B.Jones, Neal, K.Joseph, Geathers, M.Maye, J.Jones, Adoree, D Thompson

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby DallasN1213 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:32 am

Who plays in free leagues? :thumbdown:

Not a free league.

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby ArrylT » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:08 am

I personally wish people would stop using free leagues as a convenient excuse whenever they see a bad trade. I am in 2 free dynastys, that combined, have been around almost 30 years and I have never ever seen a trade like this in either one. Yet this is year 1 of a $ league with owners recruited from DLF - and free leagues are bad??

Fact is that bad owners / commissioners will happen in any type of league, whether $ is involved or not. Even in higher stakes ($100+) I have seen worse trades or inactive owners than I have in either of my free dynasty leagues. What difference does $25 or $50 make if an owner decides to blow up his team or quits or the commish bends the rules to their advantage?

Anyways without being in the league and knowing the atmosphere it is hard to judge but at best I could see 3 options

(a) veto trade / kick out inactive owner if collusion / detriment to league is proven

(b) let it stand and do nothing

(c) While I would not veto the trade myself - I would scrutinize Owner A very closely for the rest of the season. IMO rebuilding owners theoretically need to be MORE active than contending owners - because they need to pounce on players in Waivers that could be flipped for value, actively work the trade market, and keep a close eye on player valuation changes. Because Owner A is already characterized as being pretty inactive - it gives off the appearance that he just took the first offer that came his way and might go back into hibernation mode for the rest of the season.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby joekool » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:58 am

PhadedCN wrote:3 years ago; I had a trade in my league that was 6 for 6 and one set of 6 was blatantly better than the others. After investigating, turns out it was collusion as the guy had been running both teams and pretending to have an alias.

curious how the person went down? i was in a league where we suspected that as well...in fact, i think he had THREE teams!

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby DallasN1213 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:28 pm

Westy22 wrote:Geez...the inclusion of Kevin White is a pretty clear sign it is a broke deal. This seems veto worthy in my book.
That was the red flag for me also.

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby TomBobAnderson » Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:37 pm

FiremanEd wrote:There is no logic behind this. Even if collusion doesn't exist, it is a person who has no interest in continuing his team and is just being a douche.

Veto and player boot.

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby Coogan Football » Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:40 pm

SUGARRAYJOSE wrote:
FiremanEd wrote:There is no logic behind this. Even if collusion doesn't exist, it is a person who has no interest in continuing his team and is just being a douche.

Veto and player boot.

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This is why I was saying that about free leagues. Someone could just have a bad day and say f@ck it and disband his team with no remorse. If money is involved its makes that much more unlikely
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Start QB,2RB,3WR,TE,2Flex,3DL,3LB,3DB,2DFlex
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QB: Brees, Luck, Prescott, McCarron, C.Kelly, Peterman
RB: Elliott, Gurley, Gordon, Howard, McCaffrey, Hunt, J.Williams, Kamara
WR: Julio, TY, Hopkins, Thomas (NO), Watkins, Davis, Thomas (LA), Carroo, Kupp, Switzer, Tr. Taylor
TE: Olsen, Howard, Fleener, Engram, Swoope
DL: Watt, Mack, C.Jordan, Bosa, D.Hunter, Clowney, Armstead
LB: Kuechly, Ogletree, Mosley, McKinney, Bucannon, R.Foster, Z.Cunningham, Anzalone, S Anthony, ShaqT, Correa, BJ Goodson, Pullard,
DB: H.Smith, Vaccaro, B.Jones, Neal, K.Joseph, Geathers, M.Maye, J.Jones, Adoree, D Thompson

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby DallasN1213 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:12 pm

Turns out the same guy had both teams. What a damn shame. Cheating in a $40 league.

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Re: LOPSIDED TRADE - feedback

Postby thebeast » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:35 pm

DallasN1213 wrote:Turns out the same guy had both teams. What a damn shame. Cheating in a $40 league.
Wow, what's more crazy than him owning both teams is that he made this trade with himself and didn't think it would raise a lot of red flags.


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