C. Meredith or K. White

General talk about Dynasty Leagues.

Who will be the better WR in Chicago short term and long term C. Meredith or K. White

C. Meredith
56
50%
K. White
55
50%
 
Total votes: 111

User avatar
Goddard
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3293
Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:21 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby Goddard » Mon May 15, 2017 11:20 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 10:59 am
Do you prefer Jordan Matthews or Keenan Allen? Not exact comps, but I see Meredith as a middling flex or low-end WR2, a non-exciting player but good depth with steady production like Matthews. White is the swing for the fences top-10 upside with might never give you a 16-game season like Allen.
I don't think White is nearly as skilled as Allen. Allen is a great route runner and can actually catch the ball. White is very athletic, but I don't think he's a very good WR.

User avatar
WhatWouldDitkaDo
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3255
Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:02 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby WhatWouldDitkaDo » Mon May 15, 2017 11:28 am

Goddard wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 11:20 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 10:59 am
Do you prefer Jordan Matthews or Keenan Allen? Not exact comps, but I see Meredith as a middling flex or low-end WR2, a non-exciting player but good depth with steady production like Matthews. White is the swing for the fences top-10 upside with might never give you a 16-game season like Allen.
I don't think White is nearly as skilled as Allen. Allen is a great route runner and can actually catch the ball. White is very athletic, but I don't think he's a very good WR.
Certainly. Like I said, not exact comps player for player, but more so the approach to floor vs ceiling and injury risk.
12-Team PPR | QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, W/R/T, K, DST
QB: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees
RB: LeSean McCoy, Eddie Lacy, Spencer Ware, Doug Martin, Dion Lewis
WR: Mike Evans, Julio Jones, Jordy Nelson, Donte Moncrief, Kenny Stills, Robby Anderson, Andre Ellington
TE: Travis Kelce, Coby Fleener, Vance McDonald | K: Stephen Gostkowski | DST: KC
PS: Kevin White, Jonathan Williams, Keith Marshall | 2017 Picks: 2.02, 2.10, 2.11, 3.02 | 2018 Picks: 1, 3

User avatar
Goddard
Ring of Fame
Ring of Fame
Posts: 3293
Joined: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:21 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby Goddard » Mon May 15, 2017 11:44 am

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 11:28 am
Goddard wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 11:20 am
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 10:59 am
Do you prefer Jordan Matthews or Keenan Allen? Not exact comps, but I see Meredith as a middling flex or low-end WR2, a non-exciting player but good depth with steady production like Matthews. White is the swing for the fences top-10 upside with might never give you a 16-game season like Allen.
I don't think White is nearly as skilled as Allen. Allen is a great route runner and can actually catch the ball. White is very athletic, but I don't think he's a very good WR.
Certainly. Like I said, not exact comps player for player, but more so the approach to floor vs ceiling and injury risk.
I can agree with that.

Vcize
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 289
Joined: Tue May 03, 2016 4:30 pm

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby Vcize » Mon May 15, 2017 4:47 pm

WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 10:59 am
Do you prefer Jordan Matthews or Keenan Allen? Not exact comps, but I see Meredith as a middling flex or low-end WR2, a non-exciting player but good depth with steady production like Matthews. White is the swing for the fences top-10 upside with might never give you a 16-game season like Allen.
Pretty big difference between Allen (who has actually shown his top-10 upside translates to the field when he's healthy) and White (who didn't look particularly good even in the few games he was healthy).

I have White in two of my three leagues. I'd take most decent offers for him. Much like Bradford heading into last year, people focus so much on the injury stuff that they forget he wasn't actually that good even when he wasn't injured. Even if you could guarantee me that White will stay healthy this year I still wouldn't be that excited about him because I think there are some pretty big doubts about whether or not he's actually a good football player. The health concerns just stack on top of that.

sehon4
Captain
Captain
Posts: 923
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:30 pm
Location: Conyers, GA 30094

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby sehon4 » Tue May 16, 2017 6:52 pm

Interesting close voting thus far.
12 team dynasty, Protect 13 players annually, plus 1 2yr psquad- Max 4RB, Max 5WR, Max 3QB, Max 2TE, Max 1K, Max 1Def, Max 1 Flex. Roster size 18 plus 2 IR & 2 PSquad-1 2yr Psquad(signed for 2 years) and 1 regular 1yr temp psquad.
QB-M.Ryan, K.Cousins

RB-Melvin Gordon III, Lamar Miller, Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson ]
WR- D.Bryant, A. Jeffery, Nuk Hopkins, C. Meredith , B. Perriman (2yr 2016-2017 psquad)
TE-Greg Olsen, E. Ebron
D/ST- Denver
2015 League Champions (finally)
2009 2nd place, 2010 2nd place, 2014 2nd place
2012 3rd place
Retired players- Megatron
2017-Traded H.Hunter for B.Perriman & E. Ebron plus draft picks swapped.

Sterling Archer
Practice Squad
Practice Squad
Posts: 153
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:23 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby Sterling Archer » Thu May 18, 2017 6:59 am

Vcize wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 4:47 pm
WhatWouldDitkaDo wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 10:59 am
Do you prefer Jordan Matthews or Keenan Allen? Not exact comps, but I see Meredith as a middling flex or low-end WR2, a non-exciting player but good depth with steady production like Matthews. White is the swing for the fences top-10 upside with might never give you a 16-game season like Allen.
Pretty big difference between Allen (who has actually shown his top-10 upside translates to the field when he's healthy) and White (who didn't look particularly good even in the few games he was healthy).

I have White in two of my three leagues. I'd take most decent offers for him. Much like Bradford heading into last year, people focus so much on the injury stuff that they forget he wasn't actually that good even when he wasn't injured. Even if you could guarantee me that White will stay healthy this year I still wouldn't be that excited about him because I think there are some pretty big doubts about whether or not he's actually a good football player. The health concerns just stack on top of that.
It wasn't long ago that people were into the 3rd year WR breakout theory and now people are expecting White to shine in his first four games?? Keep in mind he played 2 games with 2 different QBs during his first (and only) four games.

This was an interesting poll, but I guess it comes down to personal drafting preference. Meredith is great for a studs and duds team. He's good enough to cover your bye weeks but isn't likely to be a breakout star. White is my type of player, though. I prefer to avoid the big names and use my auction dollars (or in subsequent seasons, my draft picks) on high ceiling guys who have fallen out of favor. If it doesn't work, I can cut bait without having invested a lot. But this requires a big roster. Can't really employ that in short roster leagues. So generally speaking, I'd take six Kevin Whites over one DeAndre Hopkins (example meant to be an overpriced "stud" WR). Given most of my teams, I've got the depth that Meredith would likely never crack my lineup even as a bye week filler or a flex.

J Stone
Combine Attendee
Combine Attendee
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:04 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby J Stone » Thu May 18, 2017 9:14 am

The White versus Meredith debate about who is more valuable, is a very tough situation for many managers coming into this season. For many of us, Meredith was added to our rosters for insurance when White was injured last season. Meredith preformed above expectations and was the main benefactor when both Jeffery and White weren't playing at the end of the season. Now that Jeffery has moved on and White is healthy, many of us have White and Meredith both rostered. I feel like I have to keep both to hedge my bet, but hate to miss out on trade opportunities.

User avatar
Space Cowboy
Hall of Fame
Hall of Fame
Posts: 4778
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 1:47 pm

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby Space Cowboy » Thu May 18, 2017 9:39 am

37-37 lol

Meredith looked real good last year, got better as the year went on and showed some nice ability. Believe he's a former college QB so there's still more room to grow.
14 team PPR TE premium. Flexible lineups + IDP
QB: Rivers, Winston, Glennon
RB: Peterson, Ingram, Ware, Ervin
WR: Evans, Cooper, Landry, Marshall, Diggs, Meredith, Enunwa, Coates, Carroo
TE: Henry, Ebron, Swoope, Barnidge
2017 rd 1.09 + 1.10
2017 rd 2.03 + 2.10
2017 rd 3.09 + 3.10

16 team 2 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 RB/WR flex 1 WR/TE flex + IDP
QB: Prescott, Goff, Glennon, Trubisky, C Jones, Foles, C.J. Beathard
RB: Gurley, Howard, Henry, Joe Williams, Collins, Taliaferro
WR: Pryor, Crowder, Ty Williams, J Matthews, Maclin, Aiken, Richardson, C Rogers, C Henderson
TE: Hooper, ASJ, Heuerman, Grimble
1.09 --- Mitch Trubisky
2.09 --- Joe Williams
3.09 --- Carlos Henderson
4.09 --- C. J. Beathard
5.09 --- Carl Lawson
6.09 --- DeMarcus Walker
7.09 --- Marquel Lee

BuckeyeNation
GOAT
GOAT
Posts: 10951
Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:27 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby BuckeyeNation » Thu May 18, 2017 9:56 am

The most transparent, double-talk answer you'll find in this thread....

Meredith, because I own more shares of him.....

White, because I have more invested in him.
-TEAM 1. Year 5 '15/'16 Champ
Ben
Freeman/Hyde/Crowell/AP/Rawls/JWill(GB)/Gallman/Vereen/Smallwood/Clement
Julio/DT/Jordy/Landry/Enunwa/JuJu/Zay/Anderson/Woods/CWilliams/Rogers/JJNelson
Olsen/Graham/Gathers

-TEAM 2- Year 5 '13/'16 Champ-'14/'15 R/U
Luck/Cousins
Howard/Ware/Henry/Foreman/Hunt/Rawls/Gillislee/Burlhead/Charles/Jones
Brown/Jordy/Tate/Moncrief/Enunwa/Meredith/Zay/Anderson/Stewart
Olsen/Ebron/Henry

-TEAM 3- Year 5
'13-'15 R/U
Cam/Smith/CHI QBs
Zeke/CJA/Ware/Burk/Smallwood/Cohen
Brown/Hilton/Diggs/Marvin/Pryor/Parker/Maclin/Meredith/JJNelson
Reed/Doyle/Fieds/Miller/Gathers

-TEAM 4- Year 3
Brees/Mariota
Ajayi/HowardHyde/Riddick/Vereen/Burk/Clement
OBJ/ARob/MThomas/Landry/Adams/MJones/White/Lee/
Olsen/Rudolph/Doyle/Swoope/Barnidge/Kittle

User avatar
AzTheCrow
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 313
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:05 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby AzTheCrow » Thu May 18, 2017 10:09 am

:D
Last edited by AzTheCrow on Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
AzTheCrow
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 313
Joined: Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:05 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby AzTheCrow » Thu May 18, 2017 10:10 am

A big part of being valuable is being available. Meredith has shown the ability to stay healthy albeit a small sample size. That said, he is looked at by many as being not flashy or specially skilled, just ok. I see a player with excellent body control and poise on the field, and tracks the ball pretty well too. As has been said before and I agree, he still has plenty of room to grow, which is very interesting to keep an eye on, imo.

User avatar
never again
Starter
Starter
Posts: 571
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:54 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby never again » Fri May 19, 2017 5:52 pm

What are the Meredith voters realistic expectations of him? WR3 most years as a ceiling? If I'm betting in fantasy, give me the guy with the higher upside, and White has that in spades. Now, chances are, he'll probably be a "miss," but he's played a whole 4 NFL games, after missing an entire year. Forget 3 year windows, how about we give him just one healthy season before we start making proclamations of how he's looked on an NFL field. It's not like he was polished coming in, either. I can find plenty of Meredith's every year. Both of White's injuries were freak ones, too. It's funny that we paint the brush of misfortune when it comes to Keenan, but when it comes to White, he's so much different just because his timeline of injuries came earlier in his career.
Team 1 High stakes 12 team PPR 1 QB 1 RB 3 WR 1 TE 2 Flex
J. Winston | J. Flacco
J. Howard | Ja. Williams | M. Mack | T. Cadet
A.J. Green | A. Robinson | A. Jeffery | T.Y. Hilton | J. Landry | D. Thomas | C. Davis | M. Williams | K. White | R. Anderson | E. Royal
R. Gronkowski | L. Green


Team 2 12 Team PPR 1 QB 1 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 Flex
D. Brees
L. Fournette | J. Mixon | M. Forte | C.J. Prosise | R. Matthews | J. Richard | C. Thompson
O. Beckham | A. Cooper | D. Bryant | S. Watkins | D. Parker | C. Coleman | J. Gordon | B. Quick
R. Gronkowski | C.J. Fiedorowicz

Friction
All Pro
All Pro
Posts: 1754
Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:29 pm

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby Friction » Fri May 19, 2017 7:27 pm

I was really low on White to begin with as i just dont generally pay the prices for guys like him (in rookie drafts), and i just had a gut feeling he would be a bust. The jury is still out on that though. I would slightly lean Cam and as far as realistic expectations go, WR3 sounds about right. If the QB play is solid I could see him push for low end WR2 type ceiling. Bears should be behind a lot this year and beyond possibly, leading to some garbage time receiving stats too.
Straight Mixon on Her
12 Team 1PPR 1QB/1-3RB/1-3 WR/1TE/1DST
QB:Luck, Rivers
RB:McCoy, Coleman, Ware, Perkins,Rawls, Ivory, Michael
WR: Brown,Julio, DT, Jeffrey,Marqise, Lockette, Braxton,
TE: Vance McDonald, Jared Cook
2017 Picks: 1.1, 1.7,1.11, 2.02, 3.01, 3.11

Predators to the Stanley Cup!!!! I cannot wait. Now back to football.

jaykay22
Role Player
Role Player
Posts: 388
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:42 pm

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby jaykay22 » Sat May 20, 2017 5:29 am

never again wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 5:52 pm
What are the Meredith voters realistic expectations of him? WR3 most years as a ceiling? If I'm betting in fantasy, give me the guy with the higher upside, and White has that in spades. Now, chances are, he'll probably be a "miss," but he's played a whole 4 NFL games, after missing an entire year. Forget 3 year windows, how about we give him just one healthy season before we start making proclamations of how he's looked on an NFL field. It's not like he was polished coming in, either. I can find plenty of Meredith's every year. Both of White's injuries were freak ones, too. It's funny that we paint the brush of misfortune when it comes to Keenan, but when it comes to White, he's so much different just because his timeline of injuries came earlier in his career.
I get the message you're conveying (in principle), but Keenan Allen can play WR very well in the NFL. He's got great hands, he's got great releases, he runs good routes and he can manufacture separation and give Rivers throwing windows on a consistent basis. Kevin White on the other side, is not a very good NFL WR. He's big and fast (and that pains me to say as a Bears fan).

As a Cam owner I expect 80/1000/6. He is the better WR on the team, and it will show.
10 Team 1pt PPR QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, RB/WR/TE, RB/WR/TE, K, D/ST

Keenan's Shitty Knees

QB: Stafford/Tannehill/Mariota
RB: Lacy/M Jones/Powell/Forsett/C Mike/D Washington/Karlos/C Thompson
WR: K Allen (IR)/Cobb/K Benjamin/TY/Moncrief/M Floyd/Shepard/Higgins/Kerley
TE: Olsen/Fleener/Walford
K: Tucker/Catanzaro
D/ST: Bears/Jaguars

2017 Picks: 1/2/2/3/4/5

12 Team 1pt PPR QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, RB/WR/TE, RB/WR/TE

Demaryius Thomas Rawls

QB: Rivers/Tannehill
RB: Rawls/M Jones/Forte/Ivory/AlMo/Powell/Sankey
WR: Amari/DT/K Allen (IR)/Diggs/Snead/Sanu/Smelter/Higgins/Cajuste/Lewis/Moore/Spruce
TE: Olsen/Witten/Higbee/James/S Anderson

Picks: 2017: 3/4/5

12 Team 1pt PPR QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, RB/WR/TE, RB/WR/TE, K, D/ST

Diggs Out For Harambe

QB: E Manning/Garoppolo
RB: D Martin/JStew/Blount/Ivory/Powell/CJ2K/Karlos/DJ Foster
WR: AJG/Jordy/JMatt/Decker/L Fitzgerald/Hogan/R Matthews/Sanu/P Cooper/Core/Spruce/Cajuste
TE: Gronk/Ertz/Doyle
K: Gostkowski
D/ST: Patriots

2017 Picks: 1/2/3/4/5

User avatar
never again
Starter
Starter
Posts: 571
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:54 am

Re: C. Meredith or K. White

Postby never again » Sat May 20, 2017 7:46 am

jaykay22 wrote:
Sat May 20, 2017 5:29 am
never again wrote:
Fri May 19, 2017 5:52 pm
What are the Meredith voters realistic expectations of him? WR3 most years as a ceiling? If I'm betting in fantasy, give me the guy with the higher upside, and White has that in spades. Now, chances are, he'll probably be a "miss," but he's played a whole 4 NFL games, after missing an entire year. Forget 3 year windows, how about we give him just one healthy season before we start making proclamations of how he's looked on an NFL field. It's not like he was polished coming in, either. I can find plenty of Meredith's every year. Both of White's injuries were freak ones, too. It's funny that we paint the brush of misfortune when it comes to Keenan, but when it comes to White, he's so much different just because his timeline of injuries came earlier in his career.
I get the message you're conveying (in principle), but Keenan Allen can play WR very well in the NFL. He's got great hands, he's got great releases, he runs good routes and he can manufacture separation and give Rivers throwing windows on a consistent basis. Kevin White on the other side, is not a very good NFL WR. He's big and fast (and that pains me to say as a Bears fan).

As a Cam owner I expect 80/1000/6. He is the better WR on the team, and it will show.
Right, but I wasn't comparing their abilities to play WR, just the lense in which their injuries are perceived through. Honestly, I think White actually has (or had) a higher ceiling than Allen, who will only ever play the role of a target-dependent Z in this league. White is very much more than just a "big and fast guy," too. This isn't DHB we're talking about here. He did lack creativity and polish with his routes, but he wasn't going to get that in 4 NFL games, and he never had to learn to do that in college. He did win consistently with his "size and speed," but he was also a technician at contested catches. He also showed great body control and hands. He's was a much more dynamic talent than Meredith. Again, I can find WR3 types every year in fantasy. You're not just going to dig up WR1 profile X receivers on waivers very often, however. If he misses, and again history supports that he will, so be it. But I won't be making any proclamations on how a rookie plays his position after 4 whole games.
Team 1 High stakes 12 team PPR 1 QB 1 RB 3 WR 1 TE 2 Flex
J. Winston | J. Flacco
J. Howard | Ja. Williams | M. Mack | T. Cadet
A.J. Green | A. Robinson | A. Jeffery | T.Y. Hilton | J. Landry | D. Thomas | C. Davis | M. Williams | K. White | R. Anderson | E. Royal
R. Gronkowski | L. Green


Team 2 12 Team PPR 1 QB 1 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 Flex
D. Brees
L. Fournette | J. Mixon | M. Forte | C.J. Prosise | R. Matthews | J. Richard | C. Thompson
O. Beckham | A. Cooper | D. Bryant | S. Watkins | D. Parker | C. Coleman | J. Gordon | B. Quick
R. Gronkowski | C.J. Fiedorowicz


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: TheChicken and 13 guests