Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby kadun2 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:16 pm

I guess it comes down to you either believe the Bible or you don't.
That's why it's called faith.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby Tsunami » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:25 pm

AzTheCrow wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:16 pm I guess it comes down to you either believe the Bible or you don't.
That's why it's called faith.
Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so.
But I'm questioning why you have faith. You weren't born with faith, were you indoctrinated into it as a child? Or did you experience God some other way? If you had been born in Iran and been taught the Koran instead of the Bible would you be a Muslim?

You can't have faith in Jesus and then hate Muslims or Jews or make fun of flat earth people. Their belief system is as realistic as yours, maybe moreso. If the basis of your belief is "faith" then any other belief anyone else has is equally as likely as yours. If you won't question your own beliefs at least don't use your faith as a reason to interfere with their rights.

And if you run your fantasy team based on "faith" you're going to lose.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby kadun2 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:33 pm

Tsunami wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:25 pm
AzTheCrow wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:16 pm I guess it comes down to you either believe the Bible or you don't.
That's why it's called faith.
Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so.
But I'm questioning why you have faith.
I have faith because I have read the Bible and believe what it says. I believe God speaks to human hearts and opens their eyes to be saved by his grace through faith in his Son, Jesus Christ.
Even in remote, uncivilized areas, and in people of all beliefs, God is revealing himself to them and wants them to accept his salvation.
I do not hate other beliefs, I only hope that they would someday be saved for eternity as I am.
God made a way for us to be with him. His name is Jesus.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby jimmy jr. » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:49 pm

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby Tsunami » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:22 pm

AzTheCrow wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:33 pm I have faith because I have read the Bible and believe what it says. I believe God speaks to human hearts and opens their eyes to be saved by his grace through faith in his Son, Jesus Christ.
Even in remote, uncivilized areas, and in people of all beliefs, God is revealing himself to them and wants them to accept his salvation.
I do not hate other beliefs, I only hope that they would someday be saved for eternity as I am.
God made a way for us to be with him. His name is Jesus.
I have faith because I believe in the Bible.. you don't see that as a circular explanation? I'm looking for the reason you believed the Bible.

I have never felt God speak to my heart, does that mean he wants you to believe and not me? Why does he speak to more hearts in ignorant uncivilized areas than educated intellectual areas?

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby kadun2 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:19 pm

Tsunami wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:22 pm
AzTheCrow wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:33 pm I have faith because I have read the Bible and believe what it says. I believe God speaks to human hearts and opens their eyes to be saved by his grace through faith in his Son, Jesus Christ.
Even in remote, uncivilized areas, and in people of all beliefs, God is revealing himself to them and wants them to accept his salvation.
I do not hate other beliefs, I only hope that they would someday be saved for eternity as I am.
God made a way for us to be with him. His name is Jesus.
I have faith because I believe in the Bible.. you don't see that as a circular explanation? I'm looking for the reason you believed the Bible.

I have never felt God speak to my heart, does that mean he wants you to believe and not me? Why does he speak to more hearts in ignorant uncivilized areas than educated intellectual areas?
I will pray that God speaks to your heart. The Gospel is simple, not complicated. Jesus said that you must have faith as a child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven - Luke 18 vs 16,17.
Many people work harder at rejecting God than believing. I don't understand why because God is good and offers hope.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby Tsunami » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:08 pm

AzTheCrow wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:19 pmI will pray that God speaks to your heart. The Gospel is simple, not complicated. Jesus said that you must have faith as a child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven - Luke 18 vs 16,17.
Many people work harder at rejecting God than believing. I don't understand why because God is good and offers hope.
You don't understand why people don't try to convince themselves to believe something they don't believe in?

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:54 pm

Tsunami wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:22 pm Why does he speak to more hearts in ignorant uncivilized areas than educated intellectual areas?
The reason this may seem like the case (stronger faith and determined believers in impoverished countries, and in areas without religious freedom) is because in those areas there are less distractions and less materialistic things people are striving to accomplish in a worldly sense. It's probably a bit simpler to sense God's wonder and recognize His hand in creation when one's life isn't all about Starbucks, the rat race, the latest iPhone, and fantasy football
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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby slacker » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:31 am

It's not irrational to believe that the gospels were written by people who had geographic and historical knowledge of the area, but no first-hand knowledge of the supposed miracles. It's not irrational to believe that the gospels weren't written by the apostles themselves, or that we don't know who the actual gospel writers were or how they died. It's not irrational to think that the apostles might not have been real people, or that they might not have died in martyrdom without recanting, as there is no evidence for any of this except maybe that Paul mentions a couple of them by name.

- It is irrational because your premise for believing those things are based on more false claims, specifically that there is no evidence. The Apostles did not live in a vacuum and were known to members of the early church. For your "Apostles didn't exist and the authorship of the Gospels was faked" conspiracy theory to work you are going to have to add most of the early church as having not existed either. Clement of Rome was a contemporary of the Apostles and Paul even mentions him by name in Philippians 4:3. Clement testified that both Paul and Peter were martyred. Irenaeus writes that the Apostle John wrote the Gospel of John in Ephesus. He got his information from Polycarp who was a student of John while he was in Ephesus.

Peter and Paul did exist and were martyred according to a guy with first hand knowledge.
John did exist and write the Gospel of John according to a guy with first hand knowledge.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby Tsunami » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:33 pm

slacker wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:31 am - It is irrational because your premise for believing those things are based on more false claims, specifically that there is no evidence. The Apostles did not live in a vacuum and were known to members of the early church. For your "Apostles didn't exist and the authorship of the Gospels was faked" conspiracy theory to work you are going to have to add most of the early church as having not existed either.
These are some pretty vague unsubstantiated claims, I guess you want me to do the research required to debunk them?
Clement of Rome was a contemporary of the Apostles and Paul even mentions him by name in Philippians 4:3.
Paul wasn't one of the twelve apostles, he never met Jesus. There is decent evidence that he at least existed, less so for how he died. But in no way does this prove Jesus was real or that any miracles happened.
Clement testified that both Paul and Peter were martyred.
This isn't all that relevant to the central issue, because their martyrdom doesn't prove they weren't wrong, but I'll respond anyways. Clement wrote some vague lines about Peter some decades later, and it's possible they knew each other, but that's an assumption you are making as I can't find any evidence they ever met or that he got this information first-hand, and he doesn't say he saw it happen or where he got this knowledge. And this doesn't even say he was killed exactly, just that he was persecuted and eventually died: "Let us take the noble examples of our own generation. Through jealousy and envy the greatest and most just pillars of the Church were persecuted, and came even unto death. … Peter, through unjust envy, endured not one or two but many labours, and at last, having delivered his testimony, departed unto the place of glory due to him."
Irenaeus writes that the Apostle John wrote the Gospel of John in Ephesus. He got his information from Polycarp who was a student of John while he was in Ephesus.

Peter and Paul did exist and were martyred according to a guy with first hand knowledge.
John did exist and write the Gospel of John according to a guy with first hand knowledge.
Irenaeus said Polycarp said someone named "John, the disciple of the Lord" wrote the Gospel, but this was written a century later. He never calls this John an Apostle (a title he refers to others by) so he may have been referring to a different John (as does Eusebius and Irenaeus himself when quoting Papias). He also attributes the other gospels to Matthew, Mark, and Luke which he couldn't possibly have personal knowledge of, and his record conflicts with what scholars believe to be true today (for example, saying the Book of Matthew was written in Hebrew) so this claim is dubious by context.

Saying Irenaeus got information from Polycarp who knew John and then still calling that "first hand knowledge" shows you don't really understand the concept of hearsay. Your best evidence so far is that Irenaeus said Polycarp said someone named John said Jesus was real. None of this would be admissible in court. It's not irrational to question it.

Anyways, if you think "some guy said this happened" is evidence then I still don't understand why you believe only the accounts of Christianity and not Islam or Mormonism or any other religion which has the same type of history.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby DynastyDrum30 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:29 pm

I have several reasons why I am a Christian and believe in the Bible, and one of them concerns biblical prophesy. There are several biblical prophesies that have been fulfilled in recent history. Here are ten of them:

1. Zechariah prophesied the Jews return to Jerusalem
Bible passage: Zechariah 8:7-8
Written: between 520 and 518 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Zechariah 8:7-8, the prophet said God would bring the Jews back from the east and the west to their homeland (Israel) and that they would be able to live in the city of Jerusalem again. This prophecy has been fulfilled more than once. About 2600 years ago, Babylon destroyed Jerusalem and took many Jews as captives to Babylon. But many Jews later returned from Babylon. The Jews rebuilt Jerusalem but the city was destroyed about 1900 years ago by the Romans. The Romans killed more than 1 million Jews and forced many more into exile. The Jews did not have control of Jerusalem again until 1967 when the Jews recaptured the city during the Six Day War.
Here is Zechariah 8:7-8
This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."

2. The ruins of Israel would be rebuilt
Bible passage: Amos 9:11, 13
Written: about 750 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Amos 9:11, 13, the prophet said that God would restore the land of David. (King David ruled Israel from about 1010 BC to about 970 BC). The land of David - Israel - was conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans. The land has been in ruins for much of the past 2000 years. The Jews, who had been scattered throughout the world, began to return in large numbers during the past 100 years. Since then, they have been rebuilding many of Israel's ancient cities. Amos also said there would be continuous planting and harvesting. During the past 100 years, the Jews have been using advanced farming and irrigation techniques to turn barren land into productive farmland. Today, Israel is a source of food for many countries.
Here is Amos 9:11, 13
"In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills."

3. Ezekiel prophesied prosperity for modern-day Israel
Bible passage: Ezekiel 36:11
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Ezekiel 36:11, the prophet said that there would come a time when Israel would be more prosperous than it was in the past. The Bible describes Israel as being a prosperous nation during the time of King David and King Solomon about 3000 years ago. But, Ezekiel knew a very different Israel. In Ezekiel's day (he lived about 2600 years ago), the northern kingdom of Israel already had been decimated by the Assyrians, and the southern kingdom (called Judah) was being destroyed by the Babylonians. In the centuries that followed these destructions, Jews rebuilt the city of Jerusalem, but their homeland was destroyed again, by the Romans, about 1900 years ago. Since then, a majority of Jews have lived in exile. But during the past 100 years, millions of Jews from around the world moved to Israel and they have been rebuilding the country once again. Today, Israel again is an independent nation, as it was in the days of King David, and it is one of the world's most prosperous countries. In 1999, Israel had the highest per capita Gross Domestic Product of any nearby country, even though the surrounding countries have many oil resources.
Here is Ezekiel 36:11
I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

4. Trees again would grow in Israel
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:18-20
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:18-20, the prophet's talk of a future restoration of Israel coincides with an occurrence in modern Israel - the construction of a vast irrigation system to improve farming. The lack of available water, including rain, is one reason why Israel had been a desolate, unproductive land during much of the past 2000 years. But, during the 1900s, when many Jews returned to their ancient homeland, they built a network of irrigation systems. And during the past century, more than 200 million trees have been planted in Israel.
Here is Isaiah 41:18-20
I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.

5. Isaiah said Israel's fruit would fill the world
Bible passage: Isaiah 27:6
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 27:6, the prophet said Israel would one day blossom and fill the world with fruit. This prophecy has been at least partially fulfilled, literally and symbolically. Today, the land of Israel, which had been barren for centuries, is a leading producer of agricultural products, exporting food to many countries. This prophecy also has been fulfilled symbolically with the worldwide spread of Christianity. Christianity, which began with Jesus in Israel, now has about 2 billion followers worldwide.
Here is Isaiah 27:6
In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit.

6. Jerusalem would become the world's most important religious site
Bible passage: Micah 4:1
Written: sometime between 750-686 BC
Fulfilled: Today
In Micah 4:1, the prophet said that the Temple mount in Jerusalem would become the focal point of the world. This prophecy has not yet been fulfilled. But, it is interesting to note that Jerusalem is, and has been for centuries, the world's most important religious site. Christians and Jews regard the city as the world's most important, and Christians and Jews comprise about one-third of the world's population. No other city in the world is a religious focal point to as many people.
Here is Micah 4:1
In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.

7. Egypt would never again rule over other nations
Bible passage: Ezekiel 29:15
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1967, etc.
In Ezekiel 29:15, the prophet says that Egypt would recover from a desolation (perhaps Babylon's attack about 2600 years ago), but that it would never again rule over other nations. Up until the time of Ezekiel, Egypt had been a world power for centuries, dominating many nations, including Israel. But for most of the past 2500 years, Egypt has been controlled by foreign powers, including the Romans, Ottomans and Europeans. Today, Egypt is an independent nation again. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, Egypt tried to dominate Israel but was unsuccessful each time, despite the fact that Egypt is 10 times larger than Israel. Since the time of Ezekiel, Egypt no longer rules over other nations.
Here is Ezekiel 29:15
It will be the lowliest of kingdoms and will never again exalt itself above the other nations. I will make it so weak that it will never again rule over the nations.

8. Israel will prevail over its enemies
Bible passage: Isaiah 41:12-14
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 41:12-14, the prophet said God would help Israel during times of conflict with enemies (if the people have faith in God). Isaiah said this during a time when the northern kingdom of Israel had already been conquered by the Assyrian Empire. And the southern kingdom, Judah, was about to be conquered by Babylon. (The Bible explains that Israel and Judah lost their independence because so many of the residents had turned to false religions). But, since 1948 when Israel was re-established, Israel has been attacked by much-larger countries. And Israel has prevailed in each of those attacks. This prophecy has found partial fulfillment; Christian scholars believe that a time will come when all of Israel's enemies are destroyed.
Here is Isaiah 41:12-14
Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you," declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

9. Israel's deserts will become like the Garden of Eden
Bible passage: Isaiah 51:3
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: Being fulfilled now
In Isaiah 51:3, the prophet said that God will restore Israel and make it a paradise, like the garden of Eden. This foreshadows what is currently happening in Israel. The Jews have been irrigating, cultivating and reconditioning the land during much of the 1900s. Many of the country's swamps, which had been infested with malaria, have been converted into farmland. And water from the Sea of Galilee has been channeled through portions of the deserts, allowing some of the deserts to bloom. Much work remains, but parts of Israel are blooming again. Although it was described as a wasteland as recently as the late 1800s, Israel is now a food source for many countries. And at least 200 million of trees have been planted there during the past century.
Here is Isaiah 51:3
The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.

10. Isaiah foretold of the worldwide return of Jews to Israel.
Bible passage: Isaiah 43:5-6
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: late 1900s
In Isaiah 43:5-6, the prophet Isaiah said that the Jews would return to their homeland from the east, the west, the north and the south. Isaiah lived about 2700 years ago. At that time, the Assyrians had forced many Jews in the northern kingdom of Israel into exile. Those Jews were taken to other areas in the Middle East. Then, about 1900 years ago, the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem and killed and exiled hundreds of thousands of Jews. Since then, the Jews have been scattered to virtually every country in the world. But, during the past century, millions of Jews have returned to Israel, from the east, the west, the north and the south.
From the east: Many Jews living in the Middle East moved to Israel by the early 1900s.
From the west: During mid-1900s, hundreds of thousands of Jews living in the West (Europe and the United States) began moving to Israel.
From the north: The former Soviet Union (Russia) is north of Israel. It refused to allow its Jewish residents to move to Israel. But, after years of pressure from other countries, Russia finally began to allow Jews to return to Israel during the 1980s. So far, hundreds of thousands of Russian Jews have moved to Israel.
From the south: Ethiopia, which is south of Israel, also refused to allow its Jews to return to Israel. But, in 1985, Israel struck a deal with Ethiopia's communist government to allow the Jews of Ethiopia to move to Israel. On the weekend of May 25, 1991, 14,500 Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel.
Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the north (Russia) and the south (Ethiopia) would have to be persuaded to give up their Jews. Many countries pressured Russia for years before it began to allow its Jews to leave. And Ethiopia had to be paid a ransom to allow its Jews to leave.
Isaiah's prophecy was also correct in saying that the Jews would return "from the ends of the earth," and Isaiah said that many centuries before the Jews had been scattered to the ends of the earth. During the past 100 years, Jews living as far east as China, as far west as the West Coast of the United States, as far north as Scandinavia, and as far south as South Africa, have moved to Israel.
Here is Isaiah 43:5-6
"Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth....
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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby Tsunami » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:53 pm

If you make enough claims and then pick and choose which lines to read then some of them are bound to come true (see: Nostradamus). In this case 9/10 examples all seem to be about Israel, so I don't know that you can count that as ten different prophecies. And they all seem to be from the old testament, so I don't know that you can count that as proof for Christianity rather than Judaism.

In addition to the things you list, Isaiah also says Jerusalem will always be quiet and never torn down (Isaiah 33:20) and uncircumcised people will never go there (Isaiah 52:1). Neither of these parts of your prophecy have proven true, though I'm sure your cognitive bias will find some other way to rationalize this.

The one prophecy you list that isn't about Israel is about Egypt. Ezekiel 29 says God will make Egypt desolate, and nobody will live there for 40 years, and he will scatter the Egyptians, and that Egypt will not rule other nations. You count this as a correct prediction despite the fact that the first three parts never happened. It also pretty much says the same thing about Tyre which also didn't happen.

Clearly these "prophecies" are just rhetoric. Parts of it happened thousands of years later, mostly because people who believe them to be prophecies made it happen (self-fulfilling prophecy). Parts of it didn't happen. Science has a much better track record of making predictions than does religion.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby slacker » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:48 am

Tsunami wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:33 pm
slacker wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:31 am - It is irrational because your premise for believing those things are based on more false claims, specifically that there is no evidence. The Apostles did not live in a vacuum and were known to members of the early church. For your "Apostles didn't exist and the authorship of the Gospels was faked" conspiracy theory to work you are going to have to add most of the early church as having not existed either.
These are some pretty vague unsubstantiated claims, I guess you want me to do the research required to debunk them?
Clement of Rome was a contemporary of the Apostles and Paul even mentions him by name in Philippians 4:3.
Paul wasn't one of the twelve apostles, he never met Jesus. There is decent evidence that he at least existed, less so for how he died. But in no way does this prove Jesus was real or that any miracles happened.
Clement testified that both Paul and Peter were martyred.
This isn't all that relevant to the central issue, because their martyrdom doesn't prove they weren't wrong, but I'll respond anyways. Clement wrote some vague lines about Peter some decades later, and it's possible they knew each other, but that's an assumption you are making as I can't find any evidence they ever met or that he got this information first-hand, and he doesn't say he saw it happen or where he got this knowledge. And this doesn't even say he was killed exactly, just that he was persecuted and eventually died: "Let us take the noble examples of our own generation. Through jealousy and envy the greatest and most just pillars of the Church were persecuted, and came even unto death. … Peter, through unjust envy, endured not one or two but many labours, and at last, having delivered his testimony, departed unto the place of glory due to him."
Irenaeus writes that the Apostle John wrote the Gospel of John in Ephesus. He got his information from Polycarp who was a student of John while he was in Ephesus.

Peter and Paul did exist and were martyred according to a guy with first hand knowledge.
John did exist and write the Gospel of John according to a guy with first hand knowledge.
Irenaeus said Polycarp said someone named "John, the disciple of the Lord" wrote the Gospel, but this was written a century later. He never calls this John an Apostle (a title he refers to others by) so he may have been referring to a different John (as does Eusebius and Irenaeus himself when quoting Papias). He also attributes the other gospels to Matthew, Mark, and Luke which he couldn't possibly have personal knowledge of, and his record conflicts with what scholars believe to be true today (for example, saying the Book of Matthew was written in Hebrew) so this claim is dubious by context.

Saying Irenaeus got information from Polycarp who knew John and then still calling that "first hand knowledge" shows you don't really understand the concept of hearsay. Your best evidence so far is that Irenaeus said Polycarp said someone named John said Jesus was real. None of this would be admissible in court. It's not irrational to question it.

Anyways, if you think "some guy said this happened" is evidence then I still don't understand why you believe only the accounts of Christianity and not Islam or Mormonism or any other religion which has the same type of history.

The evidence is there, it's just that you have a blatant double standard in what you accept as evidence. If it is something pro Atheist or anti Christian you will accept any claim with the bar so low as to be non existent. No evidence that apostles existed, Every single Greek text in the New Testament is different, Jesus is actually Horus, and you will jump on board the belief train with zero scrutiny. If it is pro Christian then it doesn't matter how good it is, just deny, deny, deny. It's because the starting point for your Atheism isn't intellectual, it's religious. Simply put, you are rooting for there to be no God. If it was an intellectual exercise you would have applied the same scrutiny to Christian and Atheist claims equally, but that clearly doesn't happen, at least it didn't in this thread.
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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby Tsunami » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:58 am

slacker wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:48 am The evidence is there, it's just that you have a blatant double standard in what you accept as evidence. If it is something pro Atheist or anti Christian you will accept any claim with the bar so low as to be non existent. No evidence that apostles existed, Every single Greek text in the New Testament is different, Jesus is actually Horus, and you will jump on board the belief train with zero scrutiny. If it is pro Christian then it doesn't matter how good it is, just deny, deny, deny. It's because the starting point for your Atheism isn't intellectual, it's religious. Simply put, you are rooting for there to be no God. If it was an intellectual exercise you would have applied the same scrutiny to Christian and Atheist claims equally, but that clearly doesn't happen, at least it didn't in this thread.
It did happen in this thread, at least on my end. After you called me out I scrutinized my own claims for Horus and it came up short. I was wrong, I trusted a source without checking. We all do it, there's not enough time to investigate every single thing we hear. But I looked up your claims and I haven't found evidence for those either. So now it's your turn.

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Re: Did Jesus Christ die and rise rom the dead?

Postby slacker » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:02 pm

Well, I have to admit I was surprised at the response tonight when I opened up the thread and was kind of impressed, until I clicked on the included link for Psychological projection. Sort of an unapologetic apology and it makes me doubt your sincerity. I think you are an extremely smart guy who really doesn't want to admit there is a God, and acknowledging the authorship of the NT books would force you to do that so you throw up roadblock, after roadblock, after roadblock. Don't know what else to say other than I sincerely have been praying for you and the others on this thread since it began.
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