Mahomes Value 2QB

[Rosenbluu]

Trying to see what his value is in a 2QB league, for Gridiron Greats in sig

Looking to shop him was talking to an owner who has Evans/KA/Arob/Cooper/Marvin at WR and Flacco/Smith at QB

Started talks and we were at
Cooper/2019 1st (mid to late)
for
Mahomes/Tevin/Gio

I thought this was pretty fair value but looking at ADP theres a larger difference between Mahomes and Cooper than the owner thought and now he is talking about Cooper for Mahomes/Sony/Tevin.... this is way to pricey in my eyes.

What should i be able to get in general for Mahomes?

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

His value will differ depending on the league, but personally I value Mahomes > 1.01 in 2QB. I'd need Cooper + 2 1sts for him alone. No way I'd add Coleman + Bernard to him.

[Rosenbluu]

His value will differ depending on the league, but personally I value Mahomes > 1.01 in 2QB. I'd need Cooper + 2 1sts for him alone. No way I'd add Coleman + Bernard to him.

Agreed, this league doesnt seem to value QBs all that much probably wont be able to get any fair value until the season starts.

I thought Mahomes = Cooper was pretty darn fair but was willing to pay alittle extra for him

[sloth8u]

I came to get some others opinions on a potential trade and see that my trade partner has already made a stop here

Ditka, cooper and two 1sts? Based off of? Do you just not like cooper? Did he break your daughters heart? Steal your sons scholarship to bams? Seriously though.... Cooper is 20-30 spots ahead of mahomes in the rankings that ive looked at.... You think its worth giving two 1sts to move BACK 20-30 spots in rankings for a qb with 1 start under his belt.

Im not saying your wrong, just trying to understand your logic.

[fantasyhermit]

His value will differ depending on the league, but personally I value Mahomes > 1.01 in 2QB. I'd need Cooper + 2 1sts for him alone. No way I'd add Coleman + Bernard to him.

I agree with this.

I came to get some others opinions on a potential trade and see that my trade partner has already made a stop here

Ditka, cooper and two 1sts? Based off of? Do you just not like cooper? Did he break your daughters heart? Steal your sons scholarship to bams? Seriously though.... Cooper is 20-30 spots ahead of mahomes in the rankings that ive looked at.... You think its worth giving two 1sts to move BACK 20-30 spots in rankings for a qb with 1 start under his belt.

Im not saying your wrong, just trying to understand your logic.

I'm not Ditka, but I do agree with him. QB is more valuable in SF, and while both are young Mahomes should play at a high level for longer than Cooper. Cooper has disappeared for games at a time, and Oakland looks like a situation to avoid this season. Mahomes only has 1 start, but he has a good arm and great talent around him. He's also had an entire off-season for the hype train to pick up steam.

[sloth8u]

Thanks for the feedback fantasyhermit. If my leaguemates ignore rankings like the two of you suggest it looks like im going to have to build the qb corp through the draft.

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I'm not Ditka, but I do agree with him. QB is more valuable in SF, and while both are young Mahomes should play at a high level for longer than Cooper. Cooper has disappeared for games at a time, and Oakland looks like a situation to avoid this season. Mahomes only has 1 start, but he has a good arm and great talent around him. He's also had an entire off-season for the hype train to pick up steam.

This. Also, it's not even just superflex, it's 2QB. Young QBs with upside are worth gold in 2QB formats.

[fantasyhermit]

Thanks for the feedback fantasyhermit. If my leaguemates ignore rankings like the two of you suggest it looks like im going to have to build the qb corp through the draft.

Happy to provide it where I can.

I'm not Ditka, but I do agree with him. QB is more valuable in SF, and while both are young Mahomes should play at a high level for longer than Cooper. Cooper has disappeared for games at a time, and Oakland looks like a situation to avoid this season. Mahomes only has 1 start, but he has a good arm and great talent around him. He's also had an entire off-season for the hype train to pick up steam.

This. Also, it's not even just superflex, it's 2QB. Young QBs with upside are worth gold in 2QB formats.

Good catch. Not sure how I missed the 2QB (not SF) part. That tips this in favor of Mahomes even more.

[sloth8u]

I'm not Ditka, but I do agree with him. QB is more valuable in SF, and while both are young Mahomes should play at a high level for longer than Cooper. Cooper has disappeared for games at a time, and Oakland looks like a situation to avoid this season. Mahomes only has 1 start, but he has a good arm and great talent around him. He's also had an entire off-season for the hype train to pick up steam.

This. Also, it's not even just superflex, it's 2QB. Young QBs with upside are worth gold in 2QB formats.

is offering allen, evans, coop, arob and the two future 1's even worth offering for the high end qb's or are they untouchable? i figure if i have to pay that i might aswell shoot for someone who has an nfl td under their belt.

[fantasyhermit]

I'm not Ditka, but I do agree with him. QB is more valuable in SF, and while both are young Mahomes should play at a high level for longer than Cooper. Cooper has disappeared for games at a time, and Oakland looks like a situation to avoid this season. Mahomes only has 1 start, but he has a good arm and great talent around him. He's also had an entire off-season for the hype train to pick up steam.

This. Also, it's not even just superflex, it's 2QB. Young QBs with upside are worth gold in 2QB formats.

is offering allen, evans, coop, arob and the two future 1's even worth offering for the high end qb's or are they untouchable? i figure if i have to pay that i might aswell shoot for someone who has an nfl td under their belt.

Wentz and Watson may be untouchable, depending on if the owner is an Eagles fan or thinks Watson is the next huge thing.

Who you could get with that really depends on how many QBs the other owner has. In 2QB you generally have to give a QB to get one. See if there is an owner with 4+ QBs. If there is, pick the one you like best and make an offer of Cooper and the two 1's, if you are willing to pay that. Be ready to negotiate though.

Edit: I will add, if you don't have to win this season, you could always wait until a starting qb gets a season ending injury and target them in a trade for 2019.
Or, depending on the rest of your roster, you also may want to consider just building through the draft. Both of these are cheaper options, it really just depends on your situation. If you do opt to trade for one now, a good (usually) cheap option is Bortles. He almost always puts up average or above average numbers, and most people have him ranked lower than his actual production.

[sloth8u]

im definately building... we are in year 3 and i invested heavily in wr in the start up with the thought that i could add qb as the years go by. owning evans, arob, allen, and gronk out of the start up cost me some futures and qb. i positioned myself to land my guys in our rookie draft this year but received an offer to land cooper for three 2nd's...and i took it...with the thought that i may miss my guys...(i would have missed my te). long story short...my build continues with cooper added to that mix from the start up.

i tried shopping gronk pretty hard in the rookie draft, but had no takers. im certainly not in "panic mode" with smith, flacco, and tanny...but i know that i have to add some young qb's for this to work.

id mention my rb's, but they are garbage

[WhatWouldDitkaDo]

I'm not Ditka, but I do agree with him. QB is more valuable in SF, and while both are young Mahomes should play at a high level for longer than Cooper. Cooper has disappeared for games at a time, and Oakland looks like a situation to avoid this season. Mahomes only has 1 start, but he has a good arm and great talent around him. He's also had an entire off-season for the hype train to pick up steam.

This. Also, it's not even just superflex, it's 2QB. Young QBs with upside are worth gold in 2QB formats.

is offering allen, evans, coop, arob and the two future 1's even worth offering for the high end qb's or are they untouchable? i figure if i have to pay that i might aswell shoot for someone who has an nfl td under their belt.

No, that's an overpay for any single player lol. I'd say that if I owned Wilson or Rodgers in 2QB, I'd considering selling them for something along the lines of Jimmy Garoppolo + Tyreek Hill or Jared Goff + Brandin Cooks + 1st.

[moishetreats]

Let's back up a second: Why are shopping Mahomes in the first place?

[Rosenbluu]

Let's back up a second: Why are shopping Mahomes in the first place?

Well if you look at the team in sig Gridiron Greats there's alot of pieces im missing before being a contender. So i was looking to add another WR and start Jimmy/Brady for the year might actually have a shot.

Also there's deep starting reqs. i believe it's a total of 11 starters so depth is alot important. Was just shopping them out to see what I can get but seems like im not getting close to the value i should be getting.

Any advice on what to do with this team? It's an orphan i took earlier this summer and I've made a few moves already.

[sunnyd23]

If you don't believe you're a serious contender at this point, then why not shop Brady? Is there a team out there that would swap a younger QB and a piece or two? Or perhaps two QBs from a team that has them to spare?