Rosen or Darnold?

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Rosen or Darnold?

Postby jnappy » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:31 am

I'm OTC in a 12-team SF rookie draft.

The first five picks went:
Saquon
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Guice
Baker

Which QB should I take at 1.05?
[Team 1] 2015 - 6th | 2016 - 12th | 2017 - 3rd | 2018 - 1st! | 2019 - 3rd | 2020 - 5th
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32 team full PPR/IDP - 1TMQB/1RB/1WR/1TE/1FLEX/1TMPK/1DL/1LB/1DB
TMQB: 49ers
RB: Kamara, DJ, Hines, JJack
WR: ARob, Mooney, Myers, JGrant
TE: Goedert, Kroft, Keene
TMPK: 49ers
DL: JPP
LB: Oluokun, Shaq Thompson
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2021 picks: 1.26, 2.26, 3.26
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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby skip » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:47 am

I would never draft a QB playing for the Jets.
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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby jnappy » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:12 am

That's kinda how I feel too...
[Team 1] 2015 - 6th | 2016 - 12th | 2017 - 3rd | 2018 - 1st! | 2019 - 3rd | 2020 - 5th
Hometown league
Jimmy GQ
32 team full PPR/IDP - 1TMQB/1RB/1WR/1TE/1FLEX/1TMPK/1DL/1LB/1DB
TMQB: 49ers
RB: Kamara, DJ, Hines, JJack
WR: ARob, Mooney, Myers, JGrant
TE: Goedert, Kroft, Keene
TMPK: 49ers
DL: JPP
LB: Oluokun, Shaq Thompson
DB: Poyer
2021 picks: 1.26, 2.26, 3.26
2022 picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd

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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby Martpe » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:34 am

Rosen for sure.... better team, similar talent
Team 1, 0.5 PPR SuperFlex: QB, FlexQB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, Flex
QB: Watson, Herbert (Mariota)
RB: Barkley, Jacobs, Dobbins (Akers, K Herbert)
WR: DJ Moore, Woods, Golladay (T Patrick, Shenault, Rondale M, Cephus)
TE: Goedert (Njoku, Bryant, Trautman)
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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby pierson242 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:27 am

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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby Servo » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:48 pm

I know on paper it seemed like Darnold was a real agile guy in the pocket but it seems like Rosen is as "good" of an athlete as Darnold...albeit a little bit slower.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/josh-rosen/

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/sam-darnold/

I've had these two as equal this entire time, and he's what I'm uncertain of:

- Both AZ + NYJ had awful OLines in 2017, but both did sign some new guys.

- USC QBs just haven't been successful, it's weird to blame the system but USC likes to keep "in-house" coaches..guys who have come from another's tree.

- From a stat perspective, Darnold has the edge on Rosen but you're trusting New York and their new OC, whom I know nothing about.

- Rosen has had his fair share of injuries, especially the 2 concussions...will that become a problem? Mike McCoy is his OC, whose track record isn't great with QB development.

My head tells me that Rosen is the "safer" pick but my gut feels like Darnold may have a shot in NY.

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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby ImaRounder » Tue May 01, 2018 7:00 pm

I don't know how anyone could pick darnold over rosen, given the team and talent they each possess

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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby Snake » Wed May 02, 2018 7:20 pm

Small thing to consider

Over the past two seasons, Darnold had 332 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDS while Rosen has NEGATIVE 169 and 4 TDS rushing.

I’m not saying that the same will happen in the NFL, but if it did, it works out to something like 34 points per season (2-something points per game).

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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby snaps06 » Wed May 02, 2018 8:40 pm

Snake wrote: Wed May 02, 2018 7:20 pm Small thing to consider

Over the past two seasons, Darnold had 332 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDS while Rosen has NEGATIVE 169 and 4 TDS rushing.

I’m not saying that the same will happen in the NFL, but if it did, it works out to something like 34 points per season (2-something points per game).
An even bigger thing to consider: The NCAA counts sacks as negative rushing yardage for a QB, whereas the NFL does not. So that "negative 169" is actually pretty much all from sacks.

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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby Goddard » Thu May 03, 2018 4:14 pm

They're my top 2 QBs in this class, but I prefer Rosen slightly.

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Re: Rosen or Darnold?

Postby Space Cowboy » Thu May 03, 2018 5:16 pm

Rosen. Better talent and better situation.


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