Rookie QB Rankings

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Servo » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:58 pm

If above did happen you're going to see a lot of great value picks in the late 1st to even mid 2nd probably. Which would be kinda crazy.

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Goddard » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:00 am

Just posted this in another thread before discovering this. My rankings are:

Rosen/Darnold

Mayfield

Jackson

Allen/Rudolph

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Accumen » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:17 am

pierson242 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:06 pm
benpickering44 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:03 pm
pierson242 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:27 pm

The reports that are already headlined "Jackson a better fit at WR" is what worries me. Im not doubting his athleticism but ive never thought it would translate well to the NFL. Braxton Miller, RG3, etc

They also shared the same completion %, and ill agree Jackson had more yards and TDs but he also had nearly 150 more pass attempts. Numbers are not everything.

Also your comparing 2017. In 2016 Allen had nearly identical yards and TDs as Jackson, he has a bad 2017, but the Talent is still there.
i'm not sure why your trusting Bill Polian and his ridiculous opinions, but here are there passing stats side by side

Jackson

Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2016 Louisville ACC SO QB 13 230 409 56.2 3543 8.7 9.1 30 9 148.8
*2017 Louisville ACC JR QB 13 254 430 59.1 3660 8.5 8.7 27 10 146.6

Allen

Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9
*2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8


Jackson is clearly the better passer, and he improved every single year as a passer, while Allen regressed in 2017. Allen has a somewhat high ceiling, but it isn't anywhere close to Jackson's ceiling.

arguments that he should switch to wr are laughable.
Again there’s more to football than numbers on paper. Nothing I say will change your mind. But hey agree to disagree it’s good to have this section get action!
Jackson's accuracy is fine. All these negative comments are just the same narrative coming from a league that's never been accepting of black quarterbacks (Yeah, I caught the interview jab bud...). The kids 6'2 and Polian talking about he's too short to play qb? It's actually laughable. He's better than Vick was (hell Vick has even come out and said it) and he is coming into the league at a time when the Jeff Fischer's of the world are being replaced with fresh young minds who can develop this kind of talent and formulate schemes to maximize its success. I think his ceiling (given the right situation) is a Wilson/Vick hybrid and that's pretty scary.
Team A:
12 team, SF, ppr, yr. 1/complete rebuild
Mariota, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Hill
Saquon, McCaffery, Hunt, Kerryon Johnson, Drake
C. Davis, W. Fuller, Funchess, Sutton, M. Williams, R. Anderson, D. Pettis, DJ Chark, J. Washington, J'Mon Moore, Jaron Brown
Gesicki, Seals-Jones, Herndon, Higbee, Vannett
Taxi: C. Edmonds, Warren, Ito Smith, M. Andrews, J. Moore, Z. Jones


Team B:
12 team, 1qb, ppr, yr. 2
Big Ben, Prescott, T. Taylor, Mayfield
Kamara, Howard, Ajayi, C. Clement, Drake, Royce Freeman, McGuire
M. Thomas, Landry, Fitz, C. Davis, J. Washington, M. Wallace, Bourne
Ertz, Seals-Jones
Jake Elliot
T.j. Watt, Keanu Neal
2018 Picks: 1.06, 2.06, 2.08, 3.06, 3.09, 3.10


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12 team, SF, .5ppc, ppr, TE prem., Startup
Watson, Flacco, Jackson, McCarron
Cmc, Guice, Carson, Penny, Kerryon, Ronald Jones, Perine, Samuels, B. Scott
Agholor, S. Shepard, Gollady, Ridley, J'mon Moore, Callaway, Mo. Harris, D. Robinson
E. Dickson, Seals-Jones, G. Everett, Herndon

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Blueboy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:23 am

Goddard wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:00 am Just posted this in another thread before discovering this. My rankings are:

Rosen/Darnold

Mayfield

Jackson

Allen/Rudolph
I agree with this.

12-team SF, PPR, TE premium, 0.25 PPCarry
1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1SF 4Flex
QB: Mahomes, Fields, Love
RB: Bijan, ETN, Pollard, Achane, Herbert
WR: Kupp, Hill, Metcalf, Ridley, Jeudy, D.J. M, Burks, Hollywood, Wan'Dale
TE: Kyle Pitts, Goedert

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Servo » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:52 pm

No major surprises at the combine so far, everyone with bearable hand size and Mayfield still taller than 6'.

Odd that Darnold didn't decide to throw but don't think that moves the needle for me much.

If I'm drafting today:

Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield
Jackson
Allen

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Phaded » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:53 am

Mayfield is starting to scare me - attitude wise, reminds me of guys like Manziel & Leaf.

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby bsp27 » Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:44 pm

Phaded wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:53 am Mayfield is starting to scare me - attitude wise, reminds me of guys like Manziel & Leaf.
he got really good reports on his interviews

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/13072/baker-mayfield
Superflex tight-end premium team:
Qb: Kyler Murray, Dak Presscott, Sam Darnold,
Rb: Derrick Henry, Latavius Murray, Darrell Henderson, Dexter Williams, Brian Hill
Wr: Chris Godwin, Stefon Diggs, Courtland Sutton, DK Metcalf, AJ Brown, Andy Isabella, JJ Arcega-Whiteside, Tre'Quan Smith, Daesean Hamilton, Josh Reynolds, Trey Quin, Snead,
Te: TJ Hockensen, Gesicki, Hurst

1 2020 first, 1 2020 2nd, 1 2020 3rd, 1 2020 4th

Devy superflex
Qb: Cousins, Prescott, Lamar Jackson
Rb: Marlon Mack, Tevin Coleman, Rex Burkhead,, Mcguire, Edwards
Wr: Antonio Brown, Amari Cooper, Kenny Golladay, Will Fuller, Tre'quan Smith, John Brown, Carlos Henderson, Josh Malone, Ryan Switzer, Taywan Taylor, Leonte Carroo, Antonio Callaway
Te: David Njoku, O.J. Howard, Mark Andrews,

devy: Deondre Francois, Cam Akers, Bryce Love, Myles Gaskin, Sewo Olonilua, Jalen Reagor, Peoples-Jones, Noah Fant

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Servo » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:50 am

So for those that follow/haven't been blocked by Cian Fahey on twitter....he stated that Mason Rudolph is the best QB prospect since Mariota.

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby hjernazian » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:37 am

Goddard wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:00 am Just posted this in another thread before discovering this. My rankings are:

Rosen/Darnold

Mayfield

Jackson

Allen/Rudolph
I think Darnold is the best pure QB out of the bunch, but I can't help but think of the lack of success USC QB's have... I know it may just be a correlation, but it's hard to ignore.

Also, I feel like Jackson is one of the most polarizing picks at QB in a long time. Very few people have him rated in the middle, most have him up near the top, or near the bottom. His fundamentals are questionable to me, and against bigger and faster defenders I wonder how he'll perform if in a situation that has a bad O-line that doesn't give him time to read defenses and make calculated throws.

Personally, I have exactly the same rankings as you do, pending landing spot of course.
Team 1

Superflex, 1.0 point PPR

QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant

2019: 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06

Team 2

Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE - 25 man roster + 4 TAXI

QB: T. Brady, M. Ryan, N. Foles
RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
TE: J. Reed, J. Butt, M. Roberts, V. Davis, M. Williams
TAXI: S. Darnold, D. Fountain, D. Cain, Jaleel Scott

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Servo » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:50 am

How would you rank landing spots for these QBs?

So far, I'm thinking:

Good on Paper: Browns (Good OL, Decent Weapons, Crap HC/Owner), Giants (OL is atrocious but great weapons)

Bad on Paper: Bills (Real bad WR corps), Dolphins (Feels like the sparkles of Adam Gase are wearing off big time)

On the Fence on Paper: Jets?, Broncos? Cardinals?

Wonder if a team like Baltimore or Cincy wind up taking a QB unexpectedly? It'd probably be more believable that they'd take a Mason Rudolph type.

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Ruggenater » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:27 am

My pre-draft rankings:
Darnold
Mayfield
Rosen

Jackson

Allen
Rudolph
12 Team Superflex - PPR, 0.25 PPC - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/Flex/Superflex
QB: L Jackson, Tagovailoa, Rodgers, Pickett, Tannehill
RB: Swift, Pacheco, Sanders, Hubbard, Spears, Dillon, Herbert, McLaughlin, Chandler, Dowdle
WR: DeVonta, Waddle, Aiyuk, Nacua, McLaurin, Hopkins, M Williams, Mingo, Wan’Dale, Hyatt
TE: Kelce, Okonkwo, Schoonmaker

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Phaded » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:46 pm

Servo wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:50 am How would you rank landing spots for these QBs?

So far, I'm thinking:

Good on Paper: Browns (Good OL, Decent Weapons, Crap HC/Owner), Giants (OL is atrocious but great weapons)

Bad on Paper: Bills (Real bad WR corps), Dolphins (Feels like the sparkles of Adam Gase are wearing off big time)

On the Fence on Paper: Jets?, Broncos? Cardinals?

Wonder if a team like Baltimore or Cincy wind up taking a QB unexpectedly? It'd probably be more believable that they'd take a Mason Rudolph type.
I disagree with Giants being good on paper. "Great weapons" is overstated as well, yes; we all know about OBJ. Beyond that - there isn't elite options. I think the Browns are actually the best landing spot for a QB (never thought I would say that).

The other 5 teams you mentioned all seem bad on paper to me - nothing about the coaching staffs or teams around them seem great to me.

I don't see Baltimore or Cincy getting a QB.

Other teams that I think could get a QB in the first couple rounds which intrigue me would be the Patriots, Saints & Steelers.

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Servo » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:04 pm

Phaded wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:46 pm I disagree with Giants being good on paper. "Great weapons" is overstated as well, yes; we all know about OBJ. Beyond that - there isn't elite options. I think the Browns are actually the best landing spot for a QB (never thought I would say that).
The other 5 teams you mentioned all seem bad on paper to me - nothing about the coaching staffs or teams around them seem great to me.
Well, I still think I'd take OBJ, Shepard, Engram over Benjamin/Zay/Clay or Robby/Kearse/Walford or Stills/Parker/AJ Derby but I get what you're saying.

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby hjernazian » Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:54 pm

Servo wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:04 pm
Phaded wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:46 pm I disagree with Giants being good on paper. "Great weapons" is overstated as well, yes; we all know about OBJ. Beyond that - there isn't elite options. I think the Browns are actually the best landing spot for a QB (never thought I would say that).
The other 5 teams you mentioned all seem bad on paper to me - nothing about the coaching staffs or teams around them seem great to me.
Well, I still think I'd take OBJ, Shepard, Engram over Benjamin/Zay/Clay or Robby/Kearse/Walford or Stills/Parker/AJ Derby but I get what you're saying.
I kind of don't. I don't know how you could discount Shephard coming off a rookie and an injured year, and Engram coming off a historic and unprecedented rookie breakout year, albeit all the targets were his. I think you give any of the big 5 QBs (really) a chance while these guys develop for a year or two (even more), with the possibility of the NYG drafting a RB high, and adding to a defense, WHILE learning under Eli, and it's a perfect recipe. And the only thing I personally like about the Giants is that they beat the Patriots.

I like the Browns (agreed in never did I think that statement would come out of my mouth) too, just not as much as the NYG.
Team 1

Superflex, 1.0 point PPR

QB: P. Mahomes $5, C. Newton $20, B. Mayfield $2, D. Brees
RB: D. Johnson $54, N. Chubb $4, T. Coleman $4, D. Henry $14, I. Crowell $3, J. Richard $9, J. Adams $3
WR: A. Robinson $41, T.Y. Hilton $24, J. Landry $25, C. Davis $4, C. Godwin $4, D. Hamilton $3, K. Cole, S. Shephard $10
TE: E. Engram $4, D. Njoku $2, K. Rudolph $3, V. McDonald $4
K/DEF: Irrelevant

2019: 2.04, 2.05, 2.06, 3.06, 4.06

Team 2

Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB/WR/TE - 25 man roster + 4 TAXI

QB: T. Brady, M. Ryan, N. Foles
RB: K. Hunt, C. McCaffrey, D. Johnson, T. Coleman, S. Ware, D. Williams, Ito Smith, D. Sproles
WR: AJ Green, A. Robinson, A. Thielen, E. Sanders, G. Tate, S. Roberts
TE: J. Reed, J. Butt, M. Roberts, V. Davis, M. Williams
TAXI: S. Darnold, D. Fountain, D. Cain, Jaleel Scott

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Re: Rookie QB Rankings

Postby Servo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:42 pm

Mason Rudolph now getting 1st RD buzz


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