Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby kmbryant09 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:58 pm

FF_EJuggernaut wrote:I have a request if you take them

Odell Beckham Jr LSU

Hear a lot of people like him a lot, I've seen him as high as #2 #3 at WR. I like the very limited tape I've watched on him but if guys hold him in that regard he has to be a player if need to study more and would love to hear your take on him.
I'll certainly add him to the list of WR's that I plan on doing.

However, Watkins is really the only WR that I've done some in-depth research on. I've done some studying of Lee & Evans, but not nearly enough. Therefore, at this time I don't even have an adequate reference to bounce Beckham Jr's tape off of. He'll probably be done in a few weeks.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby Monkey » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:24 pm

Been loving these write ups, keep them coming please! I know you said someone else is covering QB's, but I've really enjoyed your scouting so far so maybe once you get past some other prospects you can hit up some QBs as well? I've mostly been seeing a lot on Bridgewater and not much else, it'd be good to get some feedback on some of the other prospects as someone that's in a 2 QB league.

Thanks again! Awesome job.

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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby Defender » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:15 pm

kmbryant09 wrote:
FF_EJuggernaut wrote:I have a request if you take them

Odell Beckham Jr LSU

Hear a lot of people like him a lot, I've seen him as high as #2 #3 at WR. I like the very limited tape I've watched on him but if guys hold him in that regard he has to be a player if need to study more and would love to hear your take on him.
I'll certainly add him to the list of WR's that I plan on doing.

However, Watkins is really the only WR that I've done some in-depth research on. I've done some studying of Lee & Evans, but not nearly enough. Therefore, at this time I don't even have an adequate reference to bounce Beckham Jr's tape off of. He'll probably be done in a few weeks.
I hate to add more to your plate, but would you consider putting another on the list?

Allen Robinson WR Penn State

He's a sure talent, but I just read on the Matthews vs Robinson thread that after watching A-Rob's tape, one user said he just moved him to the top of his draft board. I'm a major Penn State fan, so it's very hard for me to be objective when scouting A-Rob. I just want as much good scouting on him as I can get, so I can make an informed decision as to where he is on my big board. Would really like to read your thought on him.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby clarion contrarion » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:00 am

jubben wrote:Been loving these write ups, keep them coming please! I know you said someone else is covering QB's, but I've really enjoyed your scouting so far so maybe once you get past some other prospects you can hit up some QBs as well? I've mostly been seeing a lot on Bridgewater and not much else, it'd be good to get some feedback on some of the other prospects as someone that's in a 2 QB league.

Thanks again! Awesome job.

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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby tyson » Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:10 am

Defender wrote:
kmbryant09 wrote:
FF_EJuggernaut wrote:I have a request if you take them

Odell Beckham Jr LSU

Hear a lot of people like him a lot, I've seen him as high as #2 #3 at WR. I like the very limited tape I've watched on him but if guys hold him in that regard he has to be a player if need to study more and would love to hear your take on him.
I'll certainly add him to the list of WR's that I plan on doing.

However, Watkins is really the only WR that I've done some in-depth research on. I've done some studying of Lee & Evans, but not nearly enough. Therefore, at this time I don't even have an adequate reference to bounce Beckham Jr's tape off of. He'll probably be done in a few weeks.
I hate to add more to your plate, but would you consider putting another on the list?

Allen Robinson WR Penn State

He's a sure talent, but I just read on the Matthews vs Robinson thread that after watching A-Rob's tape, one user said he just moved him to the top of his draft board. I'm a major Penn State fan, so it's very hard for me to be objective when scouting A-Rob. I just want as much good scouting on him as I can get, so I can make an informed decision as to where he is on my big board. Would really like to read your thought on him.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby voiceofunreason » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:57 pm

Well I was pretty surprised by Sankey's combine numbers. I thought he was pretty average on the field. Guess I need to take a closer look at him.

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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby Chandler Bing » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:41 pm

voiceofunreason wrote:Well I was pretty surprised by Sankey's combine numbers. I thought he was pretty average on the field. Guess I need to take a closer look at him.
Yeah he has my attention now. Very impressed

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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby NewtotheBiz » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:34 pm

I wasn't surprised at all (well maybe that he hit in the 4.4's), but I've been a big Sankey cheerleader for a while now. I mentioned in this very thread a month ago, that I saw a lot of Gio Bernard in him, and hearing Mike Mayock say the same thing today during the broadcast reinforces that belief. He is someone that was likely to be drafted in the 1.10-1.12 range before the combine. Be prepared to spend possibly as high as the 1.6 for him now, pending his actual NFL landing spot.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby kmbryant09 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:30 am

So I've always liked this kid's game - he's basically been the 1B in this class behind Carlos Hyde.

I must say, I did not expect him to test extremely well at the combine since he seems like he's proficient in every measure, but doesn't jump out in any particular category (decent speed but not a burner, shifty but not overly elusive, can break tackles but obviously not a bruiser).

First, I was glad to see what he measured in at - 5'9 209 pounds is pretty much an ideal build for an RB. I'm not sure his 10' hands will really come in handy as an RB, but it certainly can't hurt.

Second, his numbers were extremely impressive and definitely beat my expectations. I was expecting a 4.55 - 4.6 40 time, 15-20 reps on the bench press and some pedestrian/decent jump/cone numbers. As you probably know by now, he blew those out of the water (more on the details in a minute). It was doubly impressive to see him test out as the #1 RB at the combine, according to my data. I basically grade the 40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard shuttle, bench press, vertical, and broad jump scores on a 1-100 basis, and assign a different weight % to each category to stress the more/less important drills for a RB. That gives me a load-weighted score 1-100 for each RB in the class. Sankey clocked in at a 96.16 - 2nd place was 90.6 (I've only done the top15 big-name RB's).

His combine performance was very reassuring to me, since I likened his game to Doug Martin. His numbers only reinforce that assessment, check it out:
Height: 5'9 (DM) / 5'9 (BS)
Weight: 223 lbs (DM) / 209 lbs (BS)
Arms: 30.5' (DM) / 31' (BS)
Hands: 9' (DM) / 10' (BS)
40-Yard Dash: 4.55 (DM) / 4.49 (BS)
Bench Press: 28 reps (DM) / 26 reps (BS)
3-Cone Drill: 6.79 (DM) / 6.75 (BS)
20-Yard Shuttle: 4.16 (DM) / 4.00 (BS)
Vertical: 36' (DM) / 35.5' (BS)
Broad Jump: 120' (DM) / 126' (BS)

Basically, they are very comparable except in weight (Martin by 14 pounds), Hand Size (Sankey by an inch), 20-Yard Shuttle (Sankey by .16 seconds) and Broad Jump (Sankey by 6 inches).

Sankey is really making a push to be the #1 overall RB in this class - and could push his way into a top40 NFL pick. Right now I couldn't fault anyone for projecting him in the 2-4 range in dynasty drafts, assuming he goes to a desirable situation.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby DJB » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:57 pm

The thing about Sankey too is that he looks great on tape and has the production to back it up as well. Definately in my top 3 RB's right now.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby Cy23 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:00 pm

I think Sankey is my #1 RB. He was "hesitant" #1 before the combine, but that was allowing for any of the other top guys (Seastrunk, Mason, Carey or Hyde) to step up and dominate.

Since none of them did, I'm beginning to really accept that Sankey is the guy I like the best. The question is, how early do you draft him?

I have the 1.02 and 1.08. I always take BPA, so I would rather grab a surefire WR at 1.02 than Sankey if he is a risk at 1.02... but I have stud WR's and lack RB's, so RB is more of a need if two players are on the same tier.

Take him at 1.02? Trade down? Grab BPA WR?

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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby NewtotheBiz » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:10 pm

1.2 is probably too early, but he likely is off the board before 1.8.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby Defender » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:17 pm

Cy23 wrote:I think Sankey is my #1 RB. He was "hesitant" #1 before the combine, but that was allowing for any of the other top guys (Seastrunk, Mason, Carey or Hyde) to step up and dominate.

Since none of them did, I'm beginning to really accept that Sankey is the guy I like the best. The question is, how early do you draft him?

I have the 1.02 and 1.08. I always take BPA, so I would rather grab a surefire WR at 1.02 than Sankey if he is a risk at 1.02... but I have stud WR's and lack RB's, so RB is more of a need if two players are on the same tier.

Take him at 1.02? Trade down? Grab BPA WR?
If you are RB needy, I was trade back to 1 spot above his ADP right before your rookie draft. If not, grab yourself a stud WR.
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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby Vendetta » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:36 pm

Cy23 wrote:I think Sankey is my #1 RB. He was "hesitant" #1 before the combine, but that was allowing for any of the other top guys (Seastrunk, Mason, Carey or Hyde) to step up and dominate.

Since none of them did, I'm beginning to really accept that Sankey is the guy I like the best. The question is, how early do you draft him?

I have the 1.02 and 1.08. I always take BPA, so I would rather grab a surefire WR at 1.02 than Sankey if he is a risk at 1.02... but I have stud WR's and lack RB's, so RB is more of a need if two players are on the same tier.

Take him at 1.02? Trade down? Grab BPA WR?
If you can trade down I wouldn't go lower than 5. That said, if you like Sankey enough, who cares if it's good "value" or not, take him at 2 if you're not sold on a WR there. I'm personally starting to question if the reward outweighs the risk with Mike Evans, while I think Sankey's floor is as a RB2 and Evans' floor could be much lower. A year ago if you had the benefit of hindsight, I'm sure a lot of people would love to have Keenan Allen now over somebody like Montee Ball or Tavon Austin they took in the top half of their drafts even if the "value" suggested that taking Allen there was too high at the time. Get your guy and who cares where you do it if you're convinced he'll produce, we're only talking about a handful of picks here. It's not like you're looking at taking a guy that's consistently ranked at the bottom half of the 2nd round. I've currently got Sankey 5th on my board as my top rated RB, but am tempted to move him higher as I suspect his value will continue to rise the closer to rookie draft season it gets. Outside of Carlos Hyde I doubt I'd spend a 1st round pick on any other rookie RB.

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Re: Bishop Sankey: Tale of the Tape

Postby DJB » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:57 pm

I too am in the manner that you draft the guy that "you" value the most. To me, I could really care less where the players current ADP is, if he is a guy I love and value highly on my board, than I take him where I have him ranked on my board. I suppose at times you can move back and hope that your guy is still there to gain more value, but it is a risky play. Take your guy and move along. You will never be able to live with yourself if you pass on your guy and he turns out to be a stud.
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