2018 Rule Proposals

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby Dre » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:55 pm

I would support changes to curb QB scoring and to remove defenses/kickers

I also like the idea of top seeds getting to pick their playoff opponents

Can we bring back the practice squad (kidding) ;)

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby monkeybones » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:33 am

I'd like to discuss using points scored to seed non-championship playoff teams. Since we are using a hybrid system of determining playoff teams I feel like we should use points scored to determine the seeding for the teams that didn't make the championship playoffs.

I mean, the whole reason total points is being used for the WC spot is because people feel it's better than W-L record for determining team quality. If that's the case, why wouldn't we have the team with the lowest point totals playing for picks 1-4? If the best teams score the most points then the worst teams would theoretically score the least points.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby Xulu Bak » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:35 am

This needs to be addressed:

viewtopic.php?f=153&t=145106

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby Xulu Bak » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:37 am

monkeybones wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:33 am
I'd like to discuss using points scored to seed non-championship playoff teams. Since we are using a hybrid system of determining playoff teams I feel like we should use points scored to determine the seeding for the teams that didn't make the championship playoffs.

I mean, the whole reason total points is being used for the WC spot is because people feel it's better than W-L record for determining team quality. If that's the case, why wouldn't we have the team with the lowest point totals playing for picks 1-4? If the best teams score the most points then the worst teams would theoretically score the least points.
That makes sense, although, based on the ridiculous level of tanking that occurred last year two thoughts...

1) Eliminate the draft entirely, dumping rookies into the FA pool

OR

2) Draft Lottery

Yes, either would be a pretty drastic deviation from the real thing (we've modeled as best we can for a lot of rule changes over the years); however, real teams have substantial financial interests that keep them from starting to tank 2-3 weeks into the season.
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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby Xulu Bak » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:39 am

jimscafs25 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:08 pm
I don't think we touched on playoff seeding/format.

I think the easiest solution is just dropping the conferences. The 4 division winners qualify, then the 2 highest scoring teams of the remaining non qualifiers. 2 teams with the best record get byes.

Id even go as far as letting the #1 seed choose his opponent in the semis, but im willing to be bet that doesn't fly here.
I don't care much either way with conferences, as long as we're keeping divisions; however, I don't like the idea of the #1 seed getting to choose their matchup.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby jimscafs25 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:57 am

Xulu Bak wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:35 am
This needs to be addressed:

viewtopic.php?f=153&t=145106
I think the easiest solution would be to not allow sign and trades. If you win a player at auction that you have have not personally tagged or renegotiated, you cannot trade said player until after week 1 of the regular season.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby monkeybones » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:29 am

Xulu Bak wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:37 am
monkeybones wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:33 am
I'd like to discuss using points scored to seed non-championship playoff teams. Since we are using a hybrid system of determining playoff teams I feel like we should use points scored to determine the seeding for the teams that didn't make the championship playoffs.

I mean, the whole reason total points is being used for the WC spot is because people feel it's better than W-L record for determining team quality. If that's the case, why wouldn't we have the team with the lowest point totals playing for picks 1-4? If the best teams score the most points then the worst teams would theoretically score the least points.
That makes sense, although, based on the ridiculous level of tanking that occurred last year two thoughts...

1) Eliminate the draft entirely, dumping rookies into the FA pool

OR

2) Draft Lottery

Yes, either would be a pretty drastic deviation from the real thing (we've modeled as best we can for a lot of rule changes over the years); however, real teams have substantial financial interests that keep them from starting to tank 2-3 weeks into the season.
What about using something other than points scored? Maybe All-Play record or something like that? I don't really know, just throwing it out there.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby monkeybones » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:36 am

jimscafs25 wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:57 am
Xulu Bak wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:35 am
This needs to be addressed:

viewtopic.php?f=153&t=145106
I think the easiest solution would be to not allow sign and trades. If you win a player at auction that you have have not personally tagged or renegotiated, you cannot trade said player until after week 1 of the regular season.
I think the easiest solution is to assume all players won at auction have 1 year of guaranteed money for the duration of the offseason. It doesn't matter if they are cut or traded, the cap hit is still applied.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby TrueDawg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:41 pm

Xulu Bak wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:37 am
That makes sense, although, based on the ridiculous level of tanking that occurred last year two thoughts...

1) Eliminate the draft entirely, dumping rookies into the FA pool

OR

2) Draft Lottery

Yes, either would be a pretty drastic deviation from the real thing (we've modeled as best we can for a lot of rule changes over the years); however, real teams have substantial financial interests that keep them from starting to tank 2-3 weeks into the season.
The tanking is why I've suggested in the past that we use POTENTIAL points (from the Power Ranking report)... we could use that for non-playoff seeding. That way you can't have good players and just not start them to get into the bracket for the #1 pick, then start playing them in an attempt to win the #1 pick. It's probably a truer measure of who has a worse roster/team and puts those teams in the bracket for the #1 pick.

I personally hate the idea of a lottery.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby TrueDawg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:03 pm

monkeybones wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:36 am
I think the easiest solution is to assume all players won at auction have 1 year of guaranteed money for the duration of the offseason. It doesn't matter if they are cut or traded, the cap hit is still applied.
Agreed. Prior to this rule, we had owners during FA who would bid wildly and indiscriminately (over their cap and roster limit) to jack up the price of players they weren't really even interested in. And while I think some of this is a healthy part of a "free market" (owners SHOULD be paying fair market value for players), I think it was getting out of hand and owners were getting away with it by simply giving the player a straight contract and then cutting him.

The catch & release rule was introduced to curb this and at least give owners some pause when bidding... cuz if you win a player, you're stuck with him or you're paying a cap hit. However, this rule can be circumvented by trading the player, even if you have to give up a future 3rd or something to do it. The simplest thing to do is assume all players won during FA have one year of guaranteed money and assess the cap hit for trades as well.

And while we're on the topic, I think the catch & release penalty needs to be increased to at least 30%.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby Dre » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:16 pm

TrueDawg wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:41 pm
I personally hate the idea of a lottery.
Agree

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby TrueDawg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:25 pm

Dre wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:16 pm
TrueDawg wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:41 pm
I personally hate the idea of a lottery.
Agree
I mean people question the legitimacy and integrity of the NBA lottery...

I haven't even looked but there are probably websites out there that can do this type of thing for us, but still... I don't want there to be questions when I win the #1 pick in the lottery, or owner A thinks I'm tight with owner B and I helped owner B win the lottery or some crap.

I dunno... I think there has to be a better way.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby TrueDawg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:35 pm

Looks like we have a consensus among those who have commented that we're cool with lowering QB yardage scoring from 1/20 to 1/25.

I think we could do more but I'll take it... we can see what impact it has in 2018 and go from there and maybe do something else next offseason. I know the NFL is a QB-driven league but I'm tired of seeing dudes like Jacoby Brissett and Andy Dalton outscore DeAndre Hopkins and Antonio Brown.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby TrueDawg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:55 pm

jimscafs25 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:08 pm
I don't think we touched on playoff seeding/format.

I think the easiest solution is just dropping the conferences. The 4 division winners qualify, then the 2 highest scoring teams of the remaining non qualifiers. 2 teams with the best record get byes.
I could go for this, so the 6 best teams get in. I always hated that about the NFL... a 7-9 NFC team could host a playoff game while a 10-6 AFC team doesn't even get in.

But I think the bigger issue was with seeding for NON-championship teams, which we've discussed in separate posts in this thread.
Id even go as far as letting the #1 seed choose his opponent in the semis, but im willing to be bet that doesn't fly here.
You mean in the 2nd round (since they get a bye in the 1st round)?

This could be fun... though it would make it harder for me to setup the playoff brackets. Cuz right now I just set the seeding up front an the whole thing plays itself out.

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Re: 2018 Rule Proposals

Postby TrueDawg » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:59 pm

TrueDawg wrote:
Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:10 am
Jim proposed:

We should expand the off season roster to 21.
Nobody's commented on this... thoughts?

I'd be okay with it. The current roster limit is 19 during the season and offseason, so this would give us 2 extra spots in the offseason.


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