2017 Rule Change Proposal - QB Scoring

[TrueDawg]

We have a couple ideas here:

Qbs currently score -2 for an INT. Proposal is to change that to -3 or -4 points

Decrease passing yard scoring from 1 point per 20 yards to 1 point per 25 yards

Change QB points for rushing yardage to match passing yardage (instead of current which is 1 point per 10 rushing yards)

[citsalp1]

NOPE stupid rule change, you simply can't change scoring due to YOUR particular roster weakness

[TrueDawg]

Eh...I think QB scoring is out of balance. 25 of the top 30 players last year were QBs. And this is coming from a dude who has Andrew Luck. The best WR in the NFL was #34 and he was outscored by Trevor Siemian, Alex Smith, Carson Wentz, Sam Bradford, and Ryan Tannehill.

[monkeybones]

We have a couple ideas here:

Qbs currently score -2 for an INT. Proposal is to change that to -3 or -4 points

Decrease passing yard scoring from 1 point per 20 yards to 1 point per 25 yards

Change QB points for rushing yardage to match passing yardage (instead of current which is 1 point per 10 rushing yards)

I think -2 for an INT is fine but I wouldn't be upset if we moved it up to -3 or -4.

I like decreasing to 1 point per 25 yards passing.

All rushing stats should be the same so I'm in favor of changing the QB rushing to match all other players.

[TrueDawg]

I think -2 for an INT is fine but I wouldn't be upset if we moved it up to -3 or -4.

I like decreasing to 1 point per 25 yards passing.

All rushing stats should be the same so I'm in favor of changing the QB rushing to match all other players.

All rushing yardage scoring IS the same...1 point per 10 yards. The proposal is to change it to match PASSING yardage scoring for QBs.

[citsalp1]

Yes the QB is the highest scoring position, guess who's the cheapest in FFB land, but yet the highest paid player in the NFL is the QB. If your just now figuring out the scoring in a league that is 15 years old, to fit your agenda...bleep you.

Oh great I have a good QB, and because some Dumbo has Fitzpatrick as his starter , I get penalized. You want Tom Brady, Arron Rogers, Big Ben, Matty Ice.etc....Step up and go get them.

Our QB scoring is in line with most 16 team leagues, ...geez this is so stupid.

[jimscafs25]

Last time we tinkered with scoring, we had the defense debacle. Lets just keep it the way it is.

[Dre]

I'm happy to keep it as is, as Citsalp said up to the owners to adjust

[Tonystavoli]

I'd like to keep it as it is

[Xulu Bak]

QBs scoring the most points isn't the issue. That's true of virtually any non-ppr scoring system. The issue, is that QBs don't even have to have a good game to do it. 25 passing yards/point has been the standard in fantasy football since...always? Yet, as the NFL has gradually made passing ridiculously easy, it's remained the same. In this league, pass yards are valued even higher. WHY? If anything, passing yards should be worth less, not more, than the "standard."

In 2016, there were 118 300+ yard passing games (15+ points for yards). By comparison, there were...

18 150+ yard rushing games
32 150+ yard receiving games

[Xulu Bak]

All rushing stats should be the same so I'm in favor of changing the QB rushing to match all other players.

Currently...

If a QB gets a 10 yard run, they get 1 point. If a RB gets a 10 yard run, they get 1 point. Fair enough. However...

If a QB gets sacked (negative run), which running QBs tend to more often than pure pocket passers, they are penalized at a lesser rate than a RB that has a negative run because sacks are deducted from passing yards, not rushing yards. I'd prefer leaving QB rushing yards alone, but I don't know if MFL allows for sacks to be treated differently.

[Xulu Bak]

Last time we tinkered with scoring, we had the defense debacle. Lets just keep it the way it is.

Actually, the last time we tinkered with scoring, we fixed defensive scoring. Yes, it was a bit out of wack initially, but we made a pretty drastic change to defensive scoring, without any model for that change, so we went back and adjusted, and now defensive scoring in this league is far more reflective of the quality of actual defenses than it used to be.

Changing QB scoring from 1/20 to 1/25 isn't some unprecedented change, it's changing to be in line with standard scoring in most leagues. I'm pretty sure this is the only league I've ever been in that has passing yards valued at more than 1/25. A fair number have started devaluing passing yards further to adjust to how the league has changed over the past 20+ years.

[monkeybones]

I think -2 for an INT is fine but I wouldn't be upset if we moved it up to -3 or -4.

I like decreasing to 1 point per 25 yards passing.

All rushing stats should be the same so I'm in favor of changing the QB rushing to match all other players.

All rushing yardage scoring IS the same...1 point per 10 yards. The proposal is to change it to match PASSING yardage scoring for QBs.

Yeah I read that wrong. My bad. I'd leave rushing yards alone then.

[TrueDawg]

If a QB gets sacked (negative run), which running QBs tend to more often than pure pocket passers, they are penalized at a lesser rate than a RB that has a negative run because sacks are deducted from passing yards, not rushing yards. I'd prefer leaving QB rushing yards alone, but I don't know if MFL allows for sacks to be treated differently.

I get this argument...I just question how big of an impact this would actually have on scoring. Sacks are generally like 4-7 yards and I think Cleveland was the worst last year, giving up like 4 per game. It just seems like at most it's a swing of maybe a couple points a game for the most sacked QBs in the league.

And perhaps the bigger issue...I'm not sure MFL even allows me to score sack yardage differently. I'll have to check.

[TrueDawg]

Actually, the last time we tinkered with scoring, we fixed defensive scoring. Yes, it was a bit out of wack initially, but we made a pretty drastic change to defensive scoring, without any model for that change, so we went back and adjusted, and now defensive scoring in this league is far more reflective of the quality of actual defenses than it used to be.

Changing QB scoring from 1/20 to 1/25 isn't some unprecedented change, it's changing to be in line with standard scoring in most leagues. I'm pretty sure this is the only league I've ever been in that has passing yards valued at more than 1/25. A fair number have started devaluing passing yards further to adjust to how the league has changed over the past 20+ years.

Agreed...that first year we changed defensive scoring was a little painful but as you said, that was a bit of an experiment. Overall I think it's been a very positive change and I'm happy with the results.

I'm down with making passing yards 1 / 25. That would decrease a 300 yard game by 3 points. A 4000 yard QB would lose about 40 points over a season, which I think is reasonable.

I took the top 100 players from KFFL last year and subtracted 40 from every QB's point total to see what would happen. I know they didn't all throw for 4000 yards...it's just a little experiment (the top 22 QBs threw for 3500+). The number of QBs in the top 30 went from 25 to 21. The best RB (David Johnson) went from #6 to #3. Zeke went from #12 to #6. The best WR (Antonio Brown) went from #34 to #29...ahead of crapbag QBs like Bradford, Smith, and Siemian.