Shane Ray or Navorro (counter for TE or DL?)

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Shane Ray or Navorro (counter for TE or DL?)

Postby saw061600 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:34 pm

I have Bowman and don't see any reason to trade. Been offered Ray + very late round pick.
Right to keep Bowman or is Ray worth grabbing? For team 1, the no waiver wire league (sig needs post draft updates)

Edit: looked at his roster, thinking to counter for rookie TE (Njoku) or DL (Frank Clark) for Bowman or maybe younger LB
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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro?

Postby lukkynumber13 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:04 pm

No way. Even in super big play scoring, Ray is injured AND largely unproven
T1
LUCK, Flacco, McCown
ZEKE/SHADY/AJAYI, Collins, Darkwa, Yeldon, D Williams, Ellington, R Smith
DIGGS/HILTON/THIELEN/WATKINS, ARob, Sanu, Wallace, Humphries, Marshall, Inman, Dorsett, Hansen, Rudolph
GRONK, Watson, Shaheen, Maxx, Sims
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DL: JORDAN/FLOWERS/J HUGHES, Addison, Short, Okafor, Malik J
LB: GOODSON/E KENDRICKS, N VIGIL, Schobert, Zach C, Morrison, Simon, C James, Freeman, Patrick O, Nick K
DB: ADDAE, FARLEY, POYER, Maye, Amos, Heath, Simmons

T2
MARIOTA, Cousins, Rivers
GORDON/GURLEY/MIXON, Ajayi, Gore, D Williams, Forte, Dayes, J Davis
AJG/DIGGS/CRABS, Dez, Parker, JuJu, Crowder, Hogan, M Bryant, JMatt, Wallace, Zay, Pryor, Ellington, T Smith, Aldrick, R Shepard, Rudolph
ENGRAM, Doyle, Watson, Higbee, Swoope, Vance M
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DL: GRIFFEN/BUCKNER/HEYWARD, Wilkerson, Ogbah, Hughes, Okafor, Wolfe, Longacre, Henry A
LB: HUMBER/GOODSON/WRIGHT/KIKO, Simon, Klein, Ford, Judon, Scarlett, Coyle, Spaight, Pullard
DB: CHURCH/ADDAE/TAVON, Poyer, Farley, Simmons, John J, Kindred, Colbert

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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro?

Postby The Red Rooster » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:06 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:04 pm
No way. Even in super big play scoring, Ray is injured AND largely unproven
Second this.
10-Team Dynasty League (39 man roster) Established in 2011 ($1,600 Salary Cap with Contract Lengths)
1-QB, 2-RB, 2-WR, 1-TE, 1-Flex (RB/WR), 2-LB, 2-DE, 2-DT, 3-DB (0.5 PPR)
2011 and 2013 Champion
2015 and 2016 Runner Up

QB- Marcus Mariota, Philip Rivers
RB- Todd Gurley, Jay Ajayi, Leonard Fournette, Ameer Abdullah, Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara, Duke Johnson, Joe Williams
WR- Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, Josh Doctson, John Ross, Kenny Golladay
TE- Tyler Eiffert, Zach Ertz, David Njokue
LB- Sean Lee, Ryan Shazier, Jatavius Brown, Nick Vigil, Mychal Kendricks, Raekwon McMillan
DE- Everson Griffen, Demarcus Lawrence, Cameron Jordan, Vic Beasley, Ezekiel Ansah, Shaq Lawson
DT- Damon Harrison, David Irving, Allen Bailey
DB- Landon Collins, Keanu Neal, Kenny Vaccaro, Miles Killbrew, Jabrill Peppers, Adrian Amos, Obi Melifonwu

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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro?

Postby saw061600 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:11 pm

What I figured. Thanks for the input; always worried I'm missing something but should know by now to trust my gut, research, and forums.
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Miller Ajayi Henry Foreman AJones Buck AA Gio Dixon Perkins JC
Julio Evans ARob Watkins Cooks Diggs Parker MWilliams Tread Doctson Boyd Perriman
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Vaccaro Joseph Church Iloka McLeod Williams

12 TM .5ppr 45 RST
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Foreman Duke Dixon Hill Smallwood Sims McNich Henderson Clement
Watkins JMatt Adams Parker Boyd Godwin Samuel Funch Agholor
Fleener Njoku Smith
Williams Hunter Clark Barnett
Williamson Perryman Jack Campbell Compton ShaqT MLee Minter Reddick
Cyprien McLeod Jones Tartt Budda

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Coleman Prosise Forte JStew Gore JWilliams Gallman
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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro?

Postby Quint » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:20 pm

lukkynumber13 wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:04 pm
No way. Even in super big play scoring, Ray is injured AND largely unproven
AGREE 110% Sometime people just want to trade to trade. If it ain't broke :wink:

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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro?

Postby Quint » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:21 pm

Quint wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:20 pm
lukkynumber13 wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:04 pm
No way. Even in super big play scoring, Ray is injured AND largely unproven
AGREE 110% Sometimes people just want to trade to trade. If it ain't broke :wink:

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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro?

Postby saw061600 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:54 am

Just finally got a chance to look at his roster. He's hurting already at LB with quite a few injuries. Thinking I may try for Howard or Njoku...
10 TM 85 RST -WW STD
Dalton Mariota Tanny
Miller Ajayi Henry Foreman AJones Buck AA Gio Dixon Perkins JC
Julio Evans ARob Watkins Cooks Diggs Parker MWilliams Tread Doctson Boyd Perriman
Gronk Kelce Engram
Watt Ansah Williams Richardson Taylor Graham
Bowman Collins Mosley Kendricks Bucannon DCampbell DJones DLee Compton
Vaccaro Joseph Church Iloka McLeod Williams

12 TM .5ppr 45 RST
Mariota Dalton
Foreman Duke Dixon Hill Smallwood Sims McNich Henderson Clement
Watkins JMatt Adams Parker Boyd Godwin Samuel Funch Agholor
Fleener Njoku Smith
Williams Hunter Clark Barnett
Williamson Perryman Jack Campbell Compton ShaqT MLee Minter Reddick
Cyprien McLeod Jones Tartt Budda

12TM PPR SFLX 53 RST
Eli Smith Kessler
Coleman Prosise Forte JStew Gore JWilliams Gallman
Jordy Watkins Cooks Baldwin Davis RMatt Golladay Carroo
Olson Walker Jonnu
Ingram Wolfe Lawson Short Tuitt
Posluszny Timmons Floyd Woodyard Dupree Lawson Reeves
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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro?

Postby The Red Rooster » Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:56 am

saw061600 wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:54 am
Just finally got a chance to look at his roster. He's hurting already at LB with quite a few injuries. Thinking I may try for Howard or Njoku...
Go for it. That would be surprising but the hype on those two have settled a bit.
10-Team Dynasty League (39 man roster) Established in 2011 ($1,600 Salary Cap with Contract Lengths)
1-QB, 2-RB, 2-WR, 1-TE, 1-Flex (RB/WR), 2-LB, 2-DE, 2-DT, 3-DB (0.5 PPR)
2011 and 2013 Champion
2015 and 2016 Runner Up

QB- Marcus Mariota, Philip Rivers
RB- Todd Gurley, Jay Ajayi, Leonard Fournette, Ameer Abdullah, Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara, Duke Johnson, Joe Williams
WR- Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, Josh Doctson, John Ross, Kenny Golladay
TE- Tyler Eiffert, Zach Ertz, David Njokue
LB- Sean Lee, Ryan Shazier, Jatavius Brown, Nick Vigil, Mychal Kendricks, Raekwon McMillan
DE- Everson Griffen, Demarcus Lawrence, Cameron Jordan, Vic Beasley, Ezekiel Ansah, Shaq Lawson
DT- Damon Harrison, David Irving, Allen Bailey
DB- Landon Collins, Keanu Neal, Kenny Vaccaro, Miles Killbrew, Jabrill Peppers, Adrian Amos, Obi Melifonwu

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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro (counter for TE or DL?)

Postby saw061600 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:35 am

He's not going for our just drafted TEs. He would do DL. Some of his DL roster: Malcom Brown, Buckner, Rankins, Addison, Frank Clark, Takkarist McKinley, Tre Flowers. I do like Bowman but which, if any , listed DLs would be a good swap? Maybe try to give Darron Lee or Compton instead? (I like a few and top DLs seem harder to find than LBs)
10 TM 85 RST -WW STD
Dalton Mariota Tanny
Miller Ajayi Henry Foreman AJones Buck AA Gio Dixon Perkins JC
Julio Evans ARob Watkins Cooks Diggs Parker MWilliams Tread Doctson Boyd Perriman
Gronk Kelce Engram
Watt Ansah Williams Richardson Taylor Graham
Bowman Collins Mosley Kendricks Bucannon DCampbell DJones DLee Compton
Vaccaro Joseph Church Iloka McLeod Williams

12 TM .5ppr 45 RST
Mariota Dalton
Foreman Duke Dixon Hill Smallwood Sims McNich Henderson Clement
Watkins JMatt Adams Parker Boyd Godwin Samuel Funch Agholor
Fleener Njoku Smith
Williams Hunter Clark Barnett
Williamson Perryman Jack Campbell Compton ShaqT MLee Minter Reddick
Cyprien McLeod Jones Tartt Budda

12TM PPR SFLX 53 RST
Eli Smith Kessler
Coleman Prosise Forte JStew Gore JWilliams Gallman
Jordy Watkins Cooks Baldwin Davis RMatt Golladay Carroo
Olson Walker Jonnu
Ingram Wolfe Lawson Short Tuitt
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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro (counter for TE or DL?)

Postby The Red Rooster » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:16 am

Of those DL's, the only ones I really like are Frank Clark and Trey Flowers. I do think Addison is a little underrated this year right now though.

If you could somehow flip Compton and Lee for either of Clark or Flowers, I think thats a steal (but I doubt it gets done). I would be curious what others say, but trading Bowman for either straight up would be enticing to me. You could try Bowman and Compton for both...but, I think thats a little light ultimately. If he values Compton still and you could flip him for Addison, I always like that a lot.
10-Team Dynasty League (39 man roster) Established in 2011 ($1,600 Salary Cap with Contract Lengths)
1-QB, 2-RB, 2-WR, 1-TE, 1-Flex (RB/WR), 2-LB, 2-DE, 2-DT, 3-DB (0.5 PPR)
2011 and 2013 Champion
2015 and 2016 Runner Up

QB- Marcus Mariota, Philip Rivers
RB- Todd Gurley, Jay Ajayi, Leonard Fournette, Ameer Abdullah, Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara, Duke Johnson, Joe Williams
WR- Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins, Josh Doctson, John Ross, Kenny Golladay
TE- Tyler Eiffert, Zach Ertz, David Njokue
LB- Sean Lee, Ryan Shazier, Jatavius Brown, Nick Vigil, Mychal Kendricks, Raekwon McMillan
DE- Everson Griffen, Demarcus Lawrence, Cameron Jordan, Vic Beasley, Ezekiel Ansah, Shaq Lawson
DT- Damon Harrison, David Irving, Allen Bailey
DB- Landon Collins, Keanu Neal, Kenny Vaccaro, Miles Killbrew, Jabrill Peppers, Adrian Amos, Obi Melifonwu

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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro (counter for TE or DL?)

Postby lukkynumber13 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:23 am

I'm sure the other owner is high on Flowers after last night, and the rest of his DLs I don't like as much as Bowman... can you get a 2nd or maybe a 3rd & 4th rounder for Bowman?
T1
LUCK, Flacco, McCown
ZEKE/SHADY/AJAYI, Collins, Darkwa, Yeldon, D Williams, Ellington, R Smith
DIGGS/HILTON/THIELEN/WATKINS, ARob, Sanu, Wallace, Humphries, Marshall, Inman, Dorsett, Hansen, Rudolph
GRONK, Watson, Shaheen, Maxx, Sims
-
DL: JORDAN/FLOWERS/J HUGHES, Addison, Short, Okafor, Malik J
LB: GOODSON/E KENDRICKS, N VIGIL, Schobert, Zach C, Morrison, Simon, C James, Freeman, Patrick O, Nick K
DB: ADDAE, FARLEY, POYER, Maye, Amos, Heath, Simmons

T2
MARIOTA, Cousins, Rivers
GORDON/GURLEY/MIXON, Ajayi, Gore, D Williams, Forte, Dayes, J Davis
AJG/DIGGS/CRABS, Dez, Parker, JuJu, Crowder, Hogan, M Bryant, JMatt, Wallace, Zay, Pryor, Ellington, T Smith, Aldrick, R Shepard, Rudolph
ENGRAM, Doyle, Watson, Higbee, Swoope, Vance M
-
DL: GRIFFEN/BUCKNER/HEYWARD, Wilkerson, Ogbah, Hughes, Okafor, Wolfe, Longacre, Henry A
LB: HUMBER/GOODSON/WRIGHT/KIKO, Simon, Klein, Ford, Judon, Scarlett, Coyle, Spaight, Pullard
DB: CHURCH/ADDAE/TAVON, Poyer, Farley, Simmons, John J, Kindred, Colbert

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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro (counter for TE or DL?)

Postby saw061600 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:18 pm

Had an offer of DL Clark + round 15 pick, turned down. Clark is a bit too buried right now for that low of pick in the mix.
10 TM 85 RST -WW STD
Dalton Mariota Tanny
Miller Ajayi Henry Foreman AJones Buck AA Gio Dixon Perkins JC
Julio Evans ARob Watkins Cooks Diggs Parker MWilliams Tread Doctson Boyd Perriman
Gronk Kelce Engram
Watt Ansah Williams Richardson Taylor Graham
Bowman Collins Mosley Kendricks Bucannon DCampbell DJones DLee Compton
Vaccaro Joseph Church Iloka McLeod Williams

12 TM .5ppr 45 RST
Mariota Dalton
Foreman Duke Dixon Hill Smallwood Sims McNich Henderson Clement
Watkins JMatt Adams Parker Boyd Godwin Samuel Funch Agholor
Fleener Njoku Smith
Williams Hunter Clark Barnett
Williamson Perryman Jack Campbell Compton ShaqT MLee Minter Reddick
Cyprien McLeod Jones Tartt Budda

12TM PPR SFLX 53 RST
Eli Smith Kessler
Coleman Prosise Forte JStew Gore JWilliams Gallman
Jordy Watkins Cooks Baldwin Davis RMatt Golladay Carroo
Olson Walker Jonnu
Ingram Wolfe Lawson Short Tuitt
Posluszny Timmons Floyd Woodyard Dupree Lawson Reeves
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Re: Shane Ray or Navorro (counter for TE or DL?)

Postby saw061600 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:58 am

Traded Bowman for Clark straight up last night. Not a sneaky trade, let the owner know Bowman was released but owner had stated previously he was looking for depth. Owner figures Bowman will get picked up somewhere and still produce. Probably true but I remember reading a piece that showed 49s were one of the teams with the highest Assists awarded for tackles...Bowman got credit for a lot of assists while there.
10 TM 85 RST -WW STD
Dalton Mariota Tanny
Miller Ajayi Henry Foreman AJones Buck AA Gio Dixon Perkins JC
Julio Evans ARob Watkins Cooks Diggs Parker MWilliams Tread Doctson Boyd Perriman
Gronk Kelce Engram
Watt Ansah Williams Richardson Taylor Graham
Bowman Collins Mosley Kendricks Bucannon DCampbell DJones DLee Compton
Vaccaro Joseph Church Iloka McLeod Williams

12 TM .5ppr 45 RST
Mariota Dalton
Foreman Duke Dixon Hill Smallwood Sims McNich Henderson Clement
Watkins JMatt Adams Parker Boyd Godwin Samuel Funch Agholor
Fleener Njoku Smith
Williams Hunter Clark Barnett
Williamson Perryman Jack Campbell Compton ShaqT MLee Minter Reddick
Cyprien McLeod Jones Tartt Budda

12TM PPR SFLX 53 RST
Eli Smith Kessler
Coleman Prosise Forte JStew Gore JWilliams Gallman
Jordy Watkins Cooks Baldwin Davis RMatt Golladay Carroo
Olson Walker Jonnu
Ingram Wolfe Lawson Short Tuitt
Posluszny Timmons Floyd Woodyard Dupree Lawson Reeves
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