Rookie DEs

[Space Cowboy]

Didn't see a thread on the pass rushers so here we are.

Sleepers? Solid mid round value?

Barnett is going way too high for my liking. Harris seems to be going rounds later which is great value. Not a whole lot of exciting prospects although I do like Kpassagnon.

[lukkynumber13]

My take on it, a few weeks ago:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=140145

Only thing I would probably change is moving Takk into the 2nd tier.

[Space Cowboy]

My take on it, a few weeks ago:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=140145

Only thing I would probably change is moving Takk into the 2nd tier.

Thanks, I missed that. Pretty weak DE class. Outliner or you think all the hybrid defenses are changing things?

[lukkynumber13]

My take on it, a few weeks ago:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=140145

Only thing I would probably change is moving Takk into the 2nd tier.

Thanks, I missed that. Pretty weak DE class. Outliner or you think all the hybrid defenses are changing things?

Oh man, I gotta disagree with you there! I think it's been a fantastic DE class especially for IDP. Almost every single edge guy went to a 4-3 where he can be a DE instead of an OLB.

And compared to last year, for instance, all of the top DL this year are pass rushers rather than interior space eaters.

[TB3falcons]

Daeshon Hall is my big sleeper this year. He just needs time in an NFL weight room. 3rd rounder, so decent pedigree too.

Plus, no one is giving him any value. I've been picking him up in the 8th round or undrafted in my rookie drafts.

[lukkynumber13]

Daeshon Hall is my big sleeper this year. He just needs time in an NFL weight room. 3rd rounder, so decent pedigree too.

Plus, no one is giving him any value. I've been picking him up in the 8th round or undrafted in my rookie drafts.

I'm just not a believer in him as more than another fast tweener.

I think any of his success in college was due to Garrett taking away heat, and the only reason he got drafted relatively highly was because he tested really well athletically. I'm just not sure he's really that good of a pass rusher. We shall see!

[TB3falcons]

I'm just not a believer in him as more than another fast tweener.

I think any of his success in college was due to Garrett taking away heat, and the only reason he got drafted relatively highly was because he tested really well athletically. I'm just not sure he's really that good of a pass rusher. We shall see!

I get you, but for the cost of nearly free I think he's worth a flier. I think NFL strength training and coaching will do him wonders. He's got the athletic ability.

[Mjvb5]

My take on it, a few weeks ago:

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=140145

Only thing I would probably change is moving Takk into the 2nd tier.

Thanks, I missed that. Pretty weak DE class. Outliner or you think all the hybrid defenses are changing things?

Oh man, I gotta disagree with you there! I think it's been a fantastic DE class especially for IDP. Almost every single edge guy went to a 4-3 where he can be a DE instead of an OLB.

And compared to last year, for instance, all of the top DL this year are pass rushers rather than interior space eaters.

Same in the first round this year we had Garret,Thomas, Allen, Barnett, Taco, Mckinnley, and Harris I think all get the DE alignment. Last year we got Bosa and Buckner with Floyd and Lawson getting lb designation. IMO Garrett is around or better than Bosa and everyone else gives way more depth this year.

[Oslo Oildrillers]

Thanks, I missed that. Pretty weak DE class. Outliner or you think all the hybrid defenses are changing things?

Oh man, I gotta disagree with you there! I think it's been a fantastic DE class especially for IDP. Almost every single edge guy went to a 4-3 where he can be a DE instead of an OLB.

And compared to last year, for instance, all of the top DL this year are pass rushers rather than interior space eaters.

Same in the first round this year we had Garret,Thomas, Allen, Barnett, Taco, Mckinnley, and Harris I think all get the DE alignment. Last year we got Bosa and Buckner with Floyd and Lawson getting lb designation. IMO Garrett is around or better than Bosa and everyone else gives way more depth this year.

I agree. I don't trust myself to be able to evaluate which college pass-rushers will make the transition to the NFL and turn into productive IDPs, but draft capital and position designations were +++ this year. If you count the 2nd and 3rd rounders there's more than a dozen DEs. I'm pretty happy to sit in the 4th and take whoever falls out of the top 4-5 guys, or just take a couple DEs in the late rounds if I want to focus on other positions in the mid rounds.

[bruiser]

Here's some hard truth: 99% of formats don't give enough value to warrant selecting DEs nearly as high as they typically go. I've made small notes to myself in many places to remind myself not to overdraft DE. You are far better off taking swings at players like Diggs, Crowder, and Lockett in the 4th and 5th rounds because they can easily be traded for the top DLs that are being drafted rounds earlier. Think about the immense value you get for landing Danielle Hunter in the 6th or 7th round vs over drafting Leo or Fowler in the 1st or 2nd. Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle (JJ WATT) is a low percentage shot.

Ok, now lemme tell you about a special prospect that is going undrafted in super-deep drafts (112 rookie picks). I've added this player in every league. Trey. Hendrickson. He's free, and he could be the starting LDE week 1 opposite Cam Jordan and lined up next to Nick Fairley and Sheldon Rankins. He could potentially eat RTs with his size and athleticism in his rookie year.

This is just another example of the Saints doing extra homework on a D2 player that often gets dismissed. The Saints felt so strong about him, they drafted him in the 3rd round. Sidenote: the Saints lead/led the league with nine D2 players on the roster.

[Oslo Oildrillers]

Here's some hard truth: 99% of formats don't give enough value to warrant selecting DEs nearly as high as they typically go. I've made small notes to myself in many places to remind myself not to overdraft DE. You are far better off taking swings at players like Diggs, Crowder, and Lockett in the 4th and 5th rounds because they can easily be traded for the top DLs that are being drafted rounds earlier. Think about the immense value you get for landing Danielle Hunter in the 6th or 7th round vs over drafting Leo or Fowler in the 1st or 2nd. Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle (JJ WATT) is a low percentage shot.

Ok, now lemme tell you about a special prospect that is going undrafted in super-deep drafts (112 rookie picks). I've added this player in every league. Trey. Hendrickson. He's free, and he could be the starting LDE week 1 opposite Cam Jordan and lined up next to Nick Fairley and Sheldon Rankins. He could potentially eat RTs with his size and athleticism in his rookie year.

This is just another example of the Saints doing extra homework on a D2 player that often gets dismissed. The Saints felt so strong about him, they drafted him in the 3rd round. Sidenote: the Saints lead/led the league with nine D2 players on the roster.

The way I view IDP vs offensive players in the 4th-5th round is that I can either take a 40-50% chance of drafting someone who will turn into an IDP starter for me within a season or two, but is never going to have huge market value, or I can take a 5-10% chance of landing an offensive player who will be startable. Late round WRs and UDFA RBs rarely work out, but when they do work out they can become very valuable - at least compared to IDPs.

For me it depends where my roster is at. If I'm deep at IDP I'll take the offensive lottery ticket, if I've still got defensive holes or lack of depth I'm taking the safer bet in the IDP. But I never take IDPs in the 1st or early 2nd. I start considering LBs in the mid/late 2nd, and DEs in the mid/late 3rd, and then for sure in the 4th to 7th round is where I really tend to like the value at IDP.

Interesting note about Hendrickson. I've been looking at him in some post-draft waivers, but I don't have any shares yet.

[Space Cowboy]

The way I view IDP vs offensive players in the 4th-5th round is that I can either take a 40-50% chance of drafting someone who will turn into an IDP starter for me within a season or two, but is never going to have huge market value, or I can take a 5-10% chance of landing an offensive player who will be startable. Late round WRs and UDFA RBs rarely work out, but when they do work out they can become very valuable - at least compared to IDPs.

For me it depends where my roster is at. If I'm deep at IDP I'll take the offensive lottery ticket, if I've still got defensive holes or lack of depth I'm taking the safer bet in the IDP. But I never take IDPs in the 1st or early 2nd. I start considering LBs in the mid/late 2nd, and DEs in the mid/late 3rd, and then for sure in the 4th to 7th round is where I really tend to like the value at IDP.

Interesting note about Hendrickson. I've been looking at him in some post-draft waivers, but I don't have any shares yet.

Good post, I'm pretty much the same.

Hendrickson reminds me of the man he's replacing, Paul Kruger. Not big enough to thrive at DE, not quite a cover LB although he does play well in space.

I wasn't a big fan of the saints defensive picks.

[lukkynumber13]

Here's some hard truth: 99% of formats don't give enough value to warrant selecting DEs nearly as high as they typically go. I've made small notes to myself in many places to remind myself not to overdraft DE. You are far better off taking swings at players like Diggs, Crowder, and Lockett in the 4th and 5th rounds because they can easily be traded for the top DLs that are being drafted rounds earlier. Think about the immense value you get for landing Danielle Hunter in the 6th or 7th round vs over drafting Leo or Fowler in the 1st or 2nd. Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle (JJ WATT) is a low percentage shot.

The way I view IDP vs offensive players in the 4th-5th round is that I can either take a 40-50% chance of drafting someone who will turn into an IDP starter for me within a season or two, but is never going to have huge market value, or I can take a 5-10% chance of landing an offensive player who will be startable. Late round WRs and UDFA RBs rarely work out, but when they do work out they can become very valuable - at least compared to IDPs.

For me it depends where my roster is at. If I'm deep at IDP I'll take the offensive lottery ticket, if I've still got defensive holes or lack of depth I'm taking the safer bet in the IDP. But I never take IDPs in the 1st or early 2nd. I start considering LBs in the mid/late 2nd, and DEs in the mid/late 3rd, and then for sure in the 4th to 7th round is where I really tend to like the value at IDP.

I agree pretty much 100% with Oslo here. Depends on league setup and current roster construction/expectations for the given year.

In all 3 of my leagues, I took my first IDP in the 3rd round.

In the team in my sig, Cunningham at 3.12 was my 1st one.

In my salary cap league, I took Barnett at 3.05 for my 1st IDP

In my 3rd league, no salaries or contracts, my 1st IDP was Peppers @ 3.03

[The Red Rooster]

I'm surprised Taco is getting more love. I know many of you break down film, which, I admit I am not very well versed with. And while I certainly don't expect him to break the mold in regards to DE production from rookies, he seems to have college production, draft pedigree and will have a ton of opportunity early in his career with the lack of past rushers and suspensions the Cowboys Dline has. What do you guys think?

[lukkynumber13]

I'm surprised Taco isn't getting more love. I know many of you break down film, which, I admit I am not very well versed with. And while I certainly don't expect him to break the mold in regards to DE production from rookies, he seems to have college production, draft pedigree and will have a ton of opportunity early in his career with the lack of past rushers and suspensions the Cowboys Dline has. What do you guys think?

My fears with Taco are that he had a very poor combine & was also inconsistent in college. Not to mention, that Wolverine D-line, and the Defense as a whole, was absolutely STACKED. I'm talking almost to the point of a Bama or Ohio State level. How much of his production came because of all the help his teammates gave him?

And although he definitely will get snaps this year, I'm worried that he may not have enough around him to take heat off of him. That's why I like Barnett, Takk, Harris, & maybe even Demarcus Walker over him. All those guys have studs around them to eat up pressure.